c4 as white: genius or mistake

  • #41

    DutchBagel wrote:

    nameno1had wrote:

    For me this has usually been a mistake in the past because, I am not enough of an aggressive attacker( it is too slow for development and castling, for my style), but I would say it was genius for Fischer...

    Unless you are above 2000, you have no style

    Why do you insist a lower rated player can't have a preference for the type of opening they choose, or the positions that ensue as a game progresses? To me, you are basically saying that lower rated players aren't educated enough to know what they prefer or how to pursue it. This is probably true of players below 1300 or 1400, but by then some of the more intelligent ones can decide between open games with sharp fights or closed games with positional play.

    I will atleast acknowledge that some players' styles will change as they progress, gaining understanding and confidence, but who's to say that a guy who learns to calculate awesome attacks, prefers it to watching his opponent writhe, while trying cope with having to abandon his preferred attacking style, while he enjoys his positional prophylaxis.

  • #42

    Well, looks like you've got some training to do!

  • #43

    Funny if you take it in a satirical way.  Lots of beginner books point out the qualities of good moves, but it's all rather meaningless to the student who can't put it in context with when those same moves are bad, or when other moves are also good.

    They say e4 is best because it releases the queen and bishop.

    Then they say move your knight second... and don't move your queen at all haha.

    Anyway I guess that's why it's always said that playing is more useful than book reading as you're starting out.

  • #44
    waffllemaster wrote:

    They say e4 is best because it releases the queen and bishop.

    Then they say move your knight second... and don't move your queen at all haha.

     

    Yeah, I've always thought that was funny too. Laughing

  • #45

    c4 is not a bad move but e4 or d4 is better

  • #46

    1.c4 is a huge blunder guys

  • #47

    Genius, Fischer vs Spassky 1972 Game 6

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvvwK3dDG9E

  • #48

    Total rot. c4 has plenty going for it. Particularly the choice of transpositions.

    RESULT:

    38.71% 35.15% 26.14%
  • #49

    d4 is dull and e4 has been refuted by the French.

  • #50
    VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

    d4 is dull and e4 has been refuted by the French.

    The French is weak. If you want a better attempt, try 1...c5.

  • #51

    Nah c5 is a forced loss, but fortunately no one plays well enough to prove it. Ok,maybe Kramnik.

  • #52
    VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

    Nah c5 is a forced loss, but fortunately no one plays well enough to prove it. Ok,maybe Kramnik.

    Kramnik can't refute the Sicilian.

  • #53

    Irony. It's not just what mummy does to your shirty.

  • #54

      I used to play nothing but the Sicilian though I never studied any books on it.  In theory the English Opening could be considered a Sicilian "with a move in hand" but that's very naive since Black doesn't respond with 1. ... e5 a very high percentage of the time.  My limited experience with Black vs c4. transposes to a Queen's Gambit Declined or some 1. d4 nf6 opening an awfully high pct. of time . . . but there's still a lot of other possibilities out there (and most of them are transpositional also). There are 20 possible black moves in response to 1. c4 and at least 15 of them make some sort of sense . . . so often, in fact very, very often after, say, move 7 or 8 you are transposed to something other than a straight English (if that phrase indeed means anything).  Because of this, I believe the English is tailor-made for very experienced, very opening-minded (vs. tactical; vs. endgame minded) players only.  By the way, I went to this site's Game Explorer and they gave 19 answers to 1. c4 there . . . see what I mean?

  • #55
    A1Rajjpuut wrote:

    Because of this, I believe the English is tailor-made for very experienced, very opening-minded (vs. tactical; vs. endgame minded) players only.

    Huh?  I'm about as non-opening-minded as they come (also very tactical and very endgame-minded) and I have always played 1 c4.

  • #56

    Yeah, Id say A1Rajjpuut characterized it exactly opposite of what it is heh.

  • #57

    He's convinced!

  • #58

    its ok move

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