c4 as white: genius or mistake

waffllemaster

Funny if you take it in a satirical way.  Lots of beginner books point out the qualities of good moves, but it's all rather meaningless to the student who can't put it in context with when those same moves are bad, or when other moves are also good.

They say e4 is best because it releases the queen and bishop.

Then they say move your knight second... and don't move your queen at all haha.

Anyway I guess that's why it's always said that playing is more useful than book reading as you're starting out.

AndyClifton
waffllemaster wrote:

They say e4 is best because it releases the queen and bishop.

Then they say move your knight second... and don't move your queen at all haha.

 

Yeah, I've always thought that was funny too. Laughing

RookSacrifice

c4 is not a bad move but e4 or d4 is better

IDKWhatChessIs

1.c4 is a huge blunder guys

brisket

Genius, Fischer vs Spassky 1972 Game 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvvwK3dDG9E

netzach

Total rot. c4 has plenty going for it. Particularly the choice of transpositions.

RESULT:

38.71% 35.15% 26.14%
VanillaKnightPOC

d4 is dull and e4 has been refuted by the French.

1RedKnight99
VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

d4 is dull and e4 has been refuted by the French.

The French is weak. If you want a better attempt, try 1...c5.

VanillaKnightPOC

Nah c5 is a forced loss, but fortunately no one plays well enough to prove it. Ok,maybe Kramnik.

1RedKnight99
VanillaKnightPOC wrote:

Nah c5 is a forced loss, but fortunately no one plays well enough to prove it. Ok,maybe Kramnik.

Kramnik can't refute the Sicilian.

CBA

Irony. It's not just what mummy does to your shirty.

A1Rajjpuut

  I used to play nothing but the Sicilian though I never studied any books on it.  In theory the English Opening could be considered a Sicilian "with a move in hand" but that's very naive since Black doesn't respond with 1. ... e5 a very high percentage of the time.  My limited experience with Black vs c4. transposes to a Queen's Gambit Declined or some 1. d4 nf6 opening an awfully high pct. of time . . . but there's still a lot of other possibilities out there (and most of them are transpositional also). There are 20 possible black moves in response to 1. c4 and at least 15 of them make some sort of sense . . . so often, in fact very, very often after, say, move 7 or 8 you are transposed to something other than a straight English (if that phrase indeed means anything).  Because of this, I believe the English is tailor-made for very experienced, very opening-minded (vs. tactical; vs. endgame minded) players only.  By the way, I went to this site's Game Explorer and they gave 19 answers to 1. c4 there . . . see what I mean?

AndyClifton
A1Rajjpuut wrote:

Because of this, I believe the English is tailor-made for very experienced, very opening-minded (vs. tactical; vs. endgame minded) players only.

Huh?  I'm about as non-opening-minded as they come (also very tactical and very endgame-minded) and I have always played 1 c4.

waffllemaster

Yeah, Id say A1Rajjpuut characterized it exactly opposite of what it is heh.

netzach

He's convinced!

vincenthuang75025

its ok move