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komsomolez

If, according to you, white has clear advantage because of the passive Bishop on c8, why does he give the pawn d4 at all? He can play 5. ... Bb4+ 6.Nc3.

poucin
komsomolez a écrit :

If, according to you, white has clear advantage because of the passive Bishop on c8, why does he give the pawn d4 at all? He can play 5. ... Bb4+ 6.Nc3.

This line with sacrificing d4 is a main line in chess theory and it is still a debate about its evaluation.

Sure white can retreat with 6.Nc3 (Carlsen won a technical game against Anand in their Wch 2013), but the question is : does white wants to lose tempo retreating, or continuiing development with Bd2?

Are development and attacks on queen and king on centre enough to compensate for the pawn(s)?

There is no clear truth on this line, but if u compare with scandinavian, we are very far away from it...

Similar pawn structure but pawn structure is not everything in chess : there are other pieces than pawns...

komsomolez

Ok, then Semislav is not related to Scandinavian, especially not this Marshall-Gambit. As mentioned before in this thread, only Slav is related to Scandinavian/Caro-Cann. 

Bugaevsky_Sergey

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UnsidesteppableChess

In an effort to match I play the London as white, 3...Qd8 Scandinavian and 4...a6 Slav as black. If my opponent plays a flank opening I head for a London reversed. 

TenMenLikeClouseau
brink2017 wrote:

In an effort to match I play the London as white, 3...Qd8 Scandinavian ...

 

I play those and, like the OP, I've been looking for something like the Scandinavian against 1.d4. Just lately I've been looking at the Chigorin, which might seem daft since the last thing you are likely to get is the ...e6 and ...c6 formation. But there are thematic similarities which make it feel a bit like a Scandi:

  1. an early ...Qxd5 in a lot of lines.
  2. There are lines in the Scandi where Black develops the Q-side very fast with ...Nc6, ...Bf5 or ...Bg4, ...Rd8 or ...0-0-0. This sort of thing happens a lot in the Chigorin.
  3. A willingness to trade Bishops for Knights.
  4. In the Scandi White gets a space advantage with the d4 pawn, but is often hindered by the awkward Nc3. In the Chigorin White can get an impressively massive pawn centre, which on closer inspection can't advance in any useful way.

But unfortunately, in this neck of the woods, folks who open 1.d4 don't follow up with 2.c4, so I'm still waiting to try it out OTB.:-(

dannyhume
How about the Baltic Defence to the QG (2...Bf5; I was looking for simplicity at the time)? It is like a reverse London with the wedge pawn formation. Couldn’t tell you much else about it since I had the opportunity to play it zero times OTB back then (last month I went with a QGD when presented with the opportunity).

GM Bezgodov wrote a book in the last few years called “The Liberated Bishop’s Defence” (he likes to write about and rename non-main-line openings it seems). GM Avrukh, however, has newer suggested lines against GM Bezgodov’s suggestions in his most recent version of his Grandmaster Repertoire Queen’s Gambit book.
UnsidesteppableChess
dannyhume wrote:
How about the Baltic Defence to the QG (2...Bf5; I was looking for simplicity at the time)? It is like a reverse London with the wedge pawn formation. Couldn’t tell you much else about it since I had the opportunity to play it zero times OTB back then (last month I went with a QGD when presented with the opportunity).

GM Bezgodov wrote a book in the last few years called “The Liberated Bishop’s Defence” (he likes to write about and rename non-main-line openings it seems). GM Avrukh, however, has newer suggested lines against GM Bezgodov’s suggestions in his most recent version of his Grandmaster Repertoire Queen’s Gambit book.

I was very interested in the Baltic Defense at one time but unfortunately after 3 Qb3 3...e5 seems to be the only decent move for black and then the position looks like a mess.