easy response to d4 for beginner?

stopsucking
Morphys-Revenge wrote:
KingSideInvasion wrote:

 

stopsucking wrote:

 

So I'm kind of bad ive been playing for years, but i just started actually trying. I've been using the caro kann and know the lines against e4 with success. However after 1.d4.c6 it only works for me if they transpose and if they dont i have a really hard time. I've tried the queens indian and dutch defense but i cant really decide. Any suggestions?

 

most replies to d4 require a lot of theory... But maybe the best ones for beginners are the Grunfeld or the Benoni... Cheers!

 

Whoa. No. gruenfeld or Benoni??? Lot's of theory and razor sharp positions. Don't try this at home Kids.....

lmao i guess not. maybe in the future....

stopsucking
Die_Schanze wrote:

The cambridge springs belongs to the queen's gambit declined: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Gambit_Declined,_Cambridge_Springs_Defense

But of course one could reach it via different move orders. 

There are other interesting options, e.g. entering a noteboom via 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6, the ragozin or vienna variations.

To keep the game more alive i would prefer to use the move order with 2...e6 instead of 2...c6, when 3.cxd5 is not everyones taste.

yeah that def seems like a good position, especially with e6, thanks

KingSideInvasion
Morphys-Revenge wrote:
KingSideInvasion wrote:

 

stopsucking wrote:

 

So I'm kind of bad ive been playing for years, but i just started actually trying. I've been using the caro kann and know the lines against e4 with success. However after 1.d4.c6 it only works for me if they transpose and if they dont i have a really hard time. I've tried the queens indian and dutch defense but i cant really decide. Any suggestions?

 

most replies to d4 require a lot of theory... But maybe the best ones for beginners are the Grunfeld or the Benoni... Cheers!

 

Whoa. No. gruenfeld or Benoni??? Lot's of theory and razor sharp positions. Don't try this at home Kids.....

Exactly why it is good for beginners.... It leads to crazy positions. By beginners I mean like anything below 1800 practically. 

PSV-1988

Didn't read any posts but the QGD is probably easiest. You have your share in the centre, develop some pieces and get castled. The positional nuances can make it quite hard to master at higher level, but a beginner will almost always end up with a playable position. You can also just use a QGD setup against 1 Nf3 and 1 c4.

TheEagle91

The benko will be the best choice!

SwimmerBill

I'd like to second (or third) the Tarrasch. I started playing again after a 40 year layoff. First thing I did was go through all my old tournament games. Looking back, I had the best results and most interesting games against d4 with the Tarrasch. That was then knowing essentially only 1 chapter on it in Samarian's book on the QGD (and having a good general feeling for open games & classical chess).   Dutch is a subtle opening. But stonewall Dutch is not. It has an easy, clear and fun plan so that should also be a possibility. If you want to lose a lot of games while learning a lot in postmortem analysis, play the Kings Indian.

stopsucking
SwimmerBill wrote:

I'd like to second (or third) the Tarrasch. I started playing again after a 40 year layoff. First thing I did was go through all my old tournament games. Looking back, I had the best results and most interesting games against d4 with the Tarrasch. That was then knowing essentially only 1 chapter on it in Samarian's book on the QGD (and having a good general feeling for open games & classical chess).   Dutch is a subtle opening. But stonewall Dutch is not. It has an easy, clear and fun plan so that should also be a possibility. If you want to lose a lot of games while learning a lot in postmortem analysis, play the Kings Indian.

yeah, you are obv a lot better than me lmfao ill take your word on it lol. i do like the kings indian and have won some games with the dutch, so i will try them once i get better

stopsucking
TheEagle91 wrote:

The benko will be the best choice!

definitely and interesting opening lol, however i dont think im good enough to make it work

stopsucking
PSV-1988 wrote:

Didn't read any posts but the QGD is probably easiest. You have your share in the centre, develop some pieces and get castled. The positional nuances can make it quite hard to master at higher level, but a beginner will almost always end up with a playable position. You can also just use a QGD setup against 1 Nf3 and 1 c4.

yeah looks like everyones recommending it and ive been trying it but it seems all my oppoments play e4 lmao

BL4D3RUNN3R

The easy ones are the bad ones. 

stopsucking
BL4D3RUNN3R wrote:

The easy ones are the bad ones. 

sure, but i am a beginner lol so im just looking for something i can use