How can we crush these London/Colle Systems?

chesster3145
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

Just ignore this guy.

He hates me because of the success of my book: https://www.chess.com/blog/Swordfish55/review-the-secret-of-chess

What success? You admitted in one of your threads that you have just one sale in the last 2 months.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

It might have been the last 2 hours, I don't know. happy.png

ChessBooster
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

i can agree with you, this is good point

only "problem" (maybe not) here is that black maybe too early defines his pawn structure (c5-d6-e5) in center, but still ok, the point - london is bypassed - is achieved

DrSpudnik

Play Bd6 and force off his London Bishop. What more is needed?

h4_explosive
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

Just ignore this guy.

He hates me because of the success of my book: https://www.chess.com/blog/Swordfish55/review-the-secret-of-chess

you mean the book that sold twice in 2 years? lol

h4_explosive
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

Just ignore this guy.

He hates me because of the success of my book: https://www.chess.com/blog/Swordfish55/review-the-secret-of-chess

What success? You admitted in one of your threads that you have just one sale in the last 2 months.

actually not 2 months, he said 2 years haha

unusualkid

The first time I played against the London in a tournament game I was around 1900 and so was my opponent, I managed to win by copying his moves until around up to move 15. Don't do this, but if you really don't know what to do, use this strategy with caution.

Leo_C

There are various ways for black to get decent play or even be slightly better against the london based on the classical setups with ...d5. Of course you can play any system against the london if you know your stuff but the Nf3 Qb6 variation is very pleasant for black,thats why most people plat Nd2 instead of Nf3

ChessBooster

if you do not avoid london but you want to play

there is no need to wind your oponent opening but just to win your opponent

so just keep playing, make some thing over the board, positionally or tactically, wait for your chance

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
ChessBooster wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

i can agree with you, this is good point

only "problem" (maybe not) here is that black maybe too early defines his pawn structure (c5-d6-e5) in center, but still ok, the point - london is bypassed - is achieved

Yeah, but those pawns are strong, can never become backward, white can never attempt a break with c4-c5, e4-e5, etc.

So, this is a very-well calculated positional risk, actually.

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
DrSpudnik wrote:

Play Bd6 and force off his London Bishop. What more is needed?

True, this also gives full equality or even tiny edge for black.

In the case Bd6 is protected by the c7 pawn, a bishop trade on d6 can only improve the black pawn structure after black captures cd6 towards the center. The d5,d6,e6 pawns seem ugly, but are in reality very strong, as after e6-e5 the e5 pawn is defended by the d6 doubled pawn, and black can further play e5-e4.

This is good opening if you want to draw at any cost with white, though.

I have frequently been using it against top engines, when I am in the mood to draw.

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
h4_explosive wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

Just ignore this guy.

He hates me because of the success of my book: https://www.chess.com/blog/Swordfish55/review-the-secret-of-chess

you mean the book that sold twice in 2 years? lol

IMs like it, GMs too.

What more is needed for a book to succeed?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Leo_C wrote:

There are various ways for black to get decent play or even be slightly better against the london based on the classical setups with ...d5. Of course you can play any system against the london if you know your stuff but the Nf3 Qb6 variation is very pleasant for black,thats why most people plat Nd2 instead of Nf3

In above line 9. h3 instead of Nbd2 might be better(to retreat the bishop to h2), but indeed black has the advantage.

 

chesster3145
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
h4_explosive wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

Just ignore this guy.

He hates me because of the success of my book: https://www.chess.com/blog/Swordfish55/review-the-secret-of-chess

you mean the book that sold twice in 2 years? lol

IMs like it, GMs too.

What more is needed for a book to succeed?

One GM and one IM, and their reviews were mildly positive and nuanced. Good luck with that.

nighteyes1234
mecuelgalapieza wrote:
Stauntonmaster wrote:

London system and Colle are average type of openings and much inferior to Queen’s Gambit. Black can easily equalise against London system and Colle. London system and Colle suit average club players because they  are very easy to learn and play.

That´s just nonsense, can you explain why Colle and London are "average" and QG "infinitely better"?

 

OK. The London Barry Colle Stonewall is the Silman fan club. They dont have the means to transpose and are easily targeted. The QG player has to have more adaptability to play, including the London.

If the London player were more flexible, they would be playing better, but they often arent. 1 d4 d5 2 bf4 c5 and they dont play 3 dxc5. Now I dont know that they play 3 Nf3..thats kind of funny that they cant see the threat of cxd4 by black...but I wouldnt be surprised. Thats why for 1 d4 Nf6 2 Bf4, I say 2...d6. Because 99% of the time they will play e3 before h3, and then black plays nh5 and the bishop is traded for a knight.

sam_rose
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

No LondonSystem, guys, this one is impossible to reach.

1. d4? c5! 2. d5 e5, and black gets fully equal.

 

 

Just ignore this guy.

He hates me because of the success of my book: https://www.chess.com/blog/Swordfish55/review-the-secret-of-chess

Thank you guys for the input, and btw Against 1.d4 I am picking up an old Indian setup with c6, d6, Qc7, Nf6, e5, Be7 and 0-0. what do you think about this setup?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Excellent setup.

That would be my second or third-best choice on 1. d4.

Its only downside is that it almost equalises, while after 1...c5 you can fully equalise.

Himsara123
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