So, what's wrong with #147?
I think it's an improved (for white) form of Georgiev's suggestion in "squeezing the gambits", and it also rules out the ...a5/Ra6 ideas.
That's certainly one good idea. And the problem for Black is that White has several good ideas that give White a clear edge. I don't think the Budapest is refuted, but it sure isn't much fun to play against a well prepared opponent.
I'm hoping to post a correspondence game I'm currently playing against a GM when it's done. I got a big edge out of the opening, and now I'm just hoping to hang on. But it may be interesting to the people who read this thread.
Post it when it is over at the end of the year.
No GM can hang on to the Budapest.
So, what's wrong with #147?
I think it's an improved (for white) form of Georgiev's suggestion in "squeezing the gambits", and it also rules out the ...a5/Ra6 ideas.
That's certainly one good idea. And the problem for Black is that White has several good ideas that give White a clear edge. I don't think the Budapest is refuted, but it sure isn't much fun to play against a well prepared opponent.
What does refutation mean?
Only a perfect player can refute opening.
But there is a very good guess the Budapest is 97% busted.
The Budapest is as close to being "busted" as an opening can be without being entirely 100% refuted.
There are several good lines vs the Budapest. I think the line with
Well I think time control is a major issue in chess game... probably openings like Budapest or Charlick Gambit is only for blitz where slight positional mistake can be pardoned....and also to play a good blitz game you just need theoretical knowledge only to some extent. For example in Tal memorial blitz Danil Dubov beated both two GMs Viswanathan Anand and Vladimir Kramnik... but by the means if experience he is much younger than those two world champions....?
Here's a correspondence game I just finished against GM Lagarde. I got lucky that he chose a line that Boris Avrukh had demonstrated was fatal for Black. But he fought back hard and I actually doubted whether I could win even with the massive material advantage.
The game below isn't an advertisement for the Budapest so much as it's an example of how a diligent old school correspondence player can beat a GM who plays cc as if it were casual blitz game. He gave me far more than normal simul odds and nearly escaped anyway. I misplayed things a bit when I was left to my own devices.
Wonderful game...
I find that, after Bf4, most people will try the old early mate trap. I just use this to trade everything off and be as boring as possible. They hate it.
neat ending!
The ending is a testament to his ingenuity. I didn't see 24...Nd4!? at all.
At move 12, just out of opening, stockfish say +1.30. So Budapest seemed unplayable at expert level.
At move 12, just out of opening, stockfish say +1.30. So Budapest seemed unplayable at expert level.
Really? Mamedyarov might be a patzer then.....
Of course any human is a patzer vs 3500 engines, there is 600+ rating differnce. Like 1400 vs 2000.
i think in some of those hypermoderning positions for blacks, a centaur (A strong player + a strong engine) would have given a far more sensible result.
today, even strong engines can completely miss the positional naunces in a position. the other day, i was analyzing a position stockfish 9 gave a 0.4 to, but even at depths of 30's didnt understand the basic difficult in black;s position, everytime i manually showed it why the recommended line is inferior to the problem line, it would quickly change its mind to 0.7+.
in another line i was analyzing, white needed to not allow a d5-c5 pawn duo to remain equal or slightly better, yet the engine simply coudnt understand and simply recommended inferior moves, until i manually show it black's set up and then quickly changed its eval lol.
even with 3400 engines,they are some positions, lowly masters comprehend a little better than the almighty silicon. or at least the engine needs a ridiculously high depth to finally get it. (40+)
At move 12, just out of opening, stockfish say +1.30. So Budapest seemed unplayable at expert level.
Kind of hurtful to point out that game even though its public. Secret chess followers shouldnt be exposed a more solid representation of computer chess....they will get depressed that they have fallen for Lyudmil. Better to let them think they know what they are talking about. OK, Lyudmil revises history and says he discovered e3 and posts 100 30 sec SF games, but then he has a problem, because this game cant be explained by the secret chess book. Better to only post improvements that Lyudmil can take 100% credit and claim to be 3500+.
At move 12, just out of opening, stockfish say +1.30. So Budapest seemed unplayable at expert level.
Kind of hurtful to point out that game even though its public. Secret chess followers shouldnt be exposed a more solid representation of computer chess....they will get depressed that they have fallen for Lyudmil. Better to let them think they know what they are talking about. OK, Lyudmil revises history and says he discovered e3 and posts 100 30 sec SF games, but then he has a problem, because this game cant be explained by the secret chess book. Better to only post improvements that Lyudmil can take 100% credit and claim to be 3500+.
On the contrary, it proves that even weaker lines of the Budapest are lost, so this only corroborates my theories.
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Elaborate strategies to overwhelm the best chess engines.
You will not find those in any other chess book.
At move 12, just out of opening, stockfish say +1.30. So Budapest seemed unplayable at expert level.
Kind of hurtful to point out that game even though its public. Secret chess followers shouldnt be exposed a more solid representation of computer chess....they will get depressed that they have fallen for Lyudmil. Better to let them think they know what they are talking about. OK, Lyudmil revises history and says he discovered e3 and posts 100 30 sec SF games, but then he has a problem, because this game cant be explained by the secret chess book. Better to only post improvements that Lyudmil can take 100% credit and claim to be 3500+.
On the contrary, it proves that even weaker lines of the Budapest are lost, so this only corroborates my theories.
Brief news on the Secret Chess Society: 'Humans versus Machine' is now available for free reading with Kindle Unlimited: https://www.amazon.com/Human-Versus-Machine-Stockfish-Komodo-ebook/dp/B0768G8R2C/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Elaborate strategies to overwhelm the best chess engines.
You will not find those in any other chess book.
this forum here is not for sellling books.
These whole thread of discussion proves only one thing.... there's no such opening which can be marked as an ideal and so there is no ideal way of playing against any opening.........
what? not at all. Neither statement follows from any of this.