Most dangerous system by white (Catalan)


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #41

    Roeczak

    5 ways to avoid the Catalan:

    1) 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5
    2) 1.d4 c5 2.g3 cxd4
    3)1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6

    4)1.d4 f5

    5)1.d4 g6

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #43

    ThrillerFan

    7.Ne5 c5 - Dull?  Possibly.  I've had many games there were a bit on the dull side, but they were all with basically two possible results.  White wins or draw!

    And many "dull" positions are just crushing!  I had a game (over the board) about a month ago that was from the 7.Ne5 c5 line.  I took on c5, and he decided to trade queens.  By far the "dullest" response from Black, but also by far an inferior one too!  White rolls in the center, threatening to trap Black's Bishop, enticing a g6 push.  Then, instead of trading Knight for Bishop, with a pawn on f5 and Black's bishop on e6, I push f6 to hold on to my own knight on e7.  Throw in a h4 push, and Black's pawn unable then to ever advance past h5, and you have the Black King permanently locked to the squares h8, h7, and h6.

    So with R+N vs R+LSB, Black's King permanently locked on h8, h7, and h6, you have, well, yes, a dull position, but one where White can take he ever so sweet time as even the exchange sac never works for Black as he'll promote the pawn or win the Bishop, bring that King all the way up the board, and just continue to crush black with more and more pressure until his position breaks.

    So I won't argue the dull part, but I surely will argue the equal part!  I'll take a long, blown out win that takes an extra 40 moves to execute over some whacko position filled with fireworks where the explosion can wind up getting shoved up either of the King's butts!  I'll go for the slow squeeze if it assures me that Black is the one getting squeezed, and the 7...c5 line of the Catalan ends up doing just that!

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #45

    watcha

    What is this 7. Ne5 thing?

    The correct move is 7. Qc2, after which black's best play is 7. ... a6 8. Qxc4 b5 9. Qc2 Bb7 10. Bd2.

    Black looks smart to develop the bishop with tempo but its position is in reality very vulnerable. Since by 10. Bd2 white threatens Ba5 black should consider playing 10. ... a5 here instead of the main line.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #48

    ThrillerFan

    watcha wrote:

    What is this 7. Ne5 thing?

    The correct move is 7. Qc2, after which black's best play is 7. ... a6 8. Qxc4 b5 9. Qc2 Bb7 10. Bd2.

     

    Black looks smart to develop the bishop with tempo but its position is in reality very vulnerable. Since by 10. Bd2 white threatens Ba5 black should consider playing 10. ... a5 here instead of the main line.

    watcha - 7.Ne5 and 7.Qc2 are equally correct, and actually, in the 7.Qc2 line, White has better winning chances in the 8.a4 line than 8.Qxc4.  Back in the day when everyone responded to 7.Ne5 Nc6 with 8.Nxc6?! bxc6 9.Bxc6, it was thought that 7.Ne5 was absolutely useless, and everyone played 7.Qc2, and while 8.Qxc4 was viewed as the "simpler" line for White, it's also the simpler line for Black as well, and I've even had some nice wins from the Black side of this line.  8.a4 creates more issues for Black.

    In my humble opinion, of White's three main options (7.Ne5, 7.Qc2 and 8.Qxc4, and 7.Qc2 and 8.a4), I find the line with 8.Qxc4 to be the weakest of the three, and leads to mere equality.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #49

    Derekjj

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