Queen opening opinions

mrgiogio2007

Hello,

 

i ask for advice and opinions about the Queen opening (not sure if is the correct name)

 
I play this since a month, when i get a mate in 4 moves from white with queen-bishop combination

 

sometime i get to take the black central pawn, sometime i lost queen...

 

thanks for any suggestion

 

Giovanni

IMBacon

If you want to improve, you will need to learn to grow beyond beginners tricks like the 4 move mate.  

mrgiogio2007

totally agree w you FishEyedFools

NovaldyFelix
My opinion is that, I hate that move... The pressure from the queen early game is a little annoying. Nevertheless, I think it’s a good opening(never used it myself though coz im not interested).
Strangemover

The correct name for this opening is the wayward queen attack (because the queen does not belong on h5). Ok inexperienced players may be checkmated on f7 or lose e5 pawn. But when black defends the e5 pawn, he will then develop g6 Bg7 Nf6 for example and the queen is forced to retreat. So white must spend time doing this whilst black develops his pieces normally and this loss of time for white means that at best it is already an even position with no danger for black (losing slight advantage of moving first).

mrgiogio2007

thank you all for reply

 

Giovanni

kindaspongey

A sample game from Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms.

kindaspongey

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1339053

corum

If you are getting success with this opening keep playing it. It's aggressive and purposeful. As you improve and play better players you may start to see some limitations in this approach because better players won't let you get a quick kill. And what will tend to happen is that you will get your queen pushed around a lot whilst your opponents improves their position move by move until you find yourself struggling.

 

mrgiogio2007

 Yes    I already discovered some limitations and Also  I found myself hope the opponent do not fall into the "Bc4-Q#" cause it do not give me any satisfactionhappy.png

mocl125

This opening isn't that well respected by masters because it is only going for that one checkmate trick. Instead, pick one of these openings to play with.

mrgiogio2007
Just to advance in the discussion: another classic opening i get many many (too many) time, is the 4 knights.
But all moves are almost obligated: pawn, pawn. knight, knight,...
Any advice to get a good game but change moves?
mrgiogio2007
Oh... Maybe mocl answer me just while writing
kindaspongey

For someone seeking help with choosing openings, I usually bring up Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014).
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
I believe that it is possible to see a fair portion of the beginning of Tamburro's book by going to the Mongoose Press site.
https://www.mongoosepress.com/catalog/excerpts/openings_amateurs.pdf
Perhaps mrgiogio2007 would also want to look at Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006).
"... For beginning players, [Discovering Chess Openings] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
"There is no such thing as a 'best opening.' Each player should choose an opening that attracts him. Some players are looking for a gambit as White, others for Black gambits. Many players that are starting out (or have bad memories) want to avoid mainstream systems, others want dynamic openings, and others want calm positional pathways. It’s all about personal taste and personal need.
For example, if you feel you’re poor at tactics you can choose a quiet positional opening (trying to hide from your weakness and just play chess), or seek more dynamic openings that engender lots of tactics and sacrifices (this might lead to more losses but, over time, will improve your tactical skills and make you stronger)." - IM Jeremy Silman (January 28, 2016)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/opening-questions-and-a-dream-mate
https://www.chess.com/article/view/picking-the-correct-opening-repertoire
http://chess-teacher.com/best-chess-openings/
https://www.chess.com/blog/TigerLilov/build-your-opening-repertoire
https://www.chess.com/blog/CraiggoryC/how-to-build-an-opening-repertoire
https://www.chess.com/article/view/learning-an-opening-to-memorize-or-understand
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-perfect-opening-for-the-lazy-student
https://www.chess.com/article/view/3-ways-to-learn-new-openings
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9035.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627110453/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen169.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9029.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/has-the-king-s-indian-attack-been-forgotten
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7277.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Once you identify an opening you really like and wish to learn in more depth, then should you pick up a book on a particular opening or variation. Start with ones that explain the opening variations and are not just meant for advanced players. ..." - Dan Heisman (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
"... To begin with, only study the main lines ... you can easily fill in the unusual lines later. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... For inexperienced players, I think the model that bases opening discussions on more or less complete games that are fully annotated, though with a main focus on the opening and early middlegame, is the ideal. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2010)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)

mrgiogio2007
Thanks to everybody have replied, of course

Giovanni
GWTR
mrgiogio2007 wrote:
Thanks to everybody have replied, of course

Giovanni

keep chugging along. Nothing wrong with being a trendsetter!

mrgiogio2007

Gwtr would you explain what you mean please? My english is not very good so i dont understood it happy.png

 

thanks

MetalRatel

 

 

I don't recommend this for White, but if you do insist on playing it, at least don't forget to play Ne2. If you like something trappy that is sounder and has more venom, I'd look into the Vienna. At the top of my head, GM Nikola Mitkov has regularly played the Vienna as White if you are looking for examples.

GWTR
mrgiogio2007 wrote:

Gwtr would you explain what you mean please? My english is not very good so i dont understood it

 

thanks

I just mean if you like that opening, keep exploring it.

 

Most players (including me) may not like it, but perhaps you can find some interesting variations through your play.

gingerninja2003