Scandinavian

blueletterd

DeirdreSkye

This is the worst way to play Scandinavian and Black queen will be in danger to be trapped.

The simplest way to play the Scandinavian is to retreat the knight to d8.

 

 

Carlsen proved this is playable even in top level.

blueemu

Robatsch played that Qd8 line against Fischer in 1962.

DeirdreSkye
blueemu wrote:

Robatsch played that Qd8 line against Fischer in 1962.

But that game rather convinced everyone that Scandinavian is bad more than anything else.

 

NelsonMoore

I don't play 2.. Qxd5 but instead prefer 2.. Nf6.

 

Ok maybe this isn't a great example as white is ahead in the final position about 0.75. What do you expect though when I'm playing against an engine user?

 

Crusher789
Queen?
rterhart

@ Nelson Moore: I'm a bit surprised that a couple of 2000+ players like you make moves that seem to go against some basic opening principles.

What's the point of 3. Bb5+? White is simply wasting a tempo.

And a move later, Black does the same with ... Bg4.

Then White plays f3 - in my humble opinion, only bad things happen when you play f3. (Although there are a few exceptions)

And by the 22nd move, White still hasn't castled.

These all look to me like elementary mistakes. So why is it good chess?

 

DeirdreSkye
rterhart wrote:

@ Nelson Moore: I'm a bit surprised that a couple of 2000+ players like you make moves that seem to go against some basic opening principles.

What's the point of 3. Bb5+? White is simply wasting a tempo.

And a move later, Black does the same with ... Bg4.

Then White plays f3 - in my humble opinion, only bad things happen when you play f3. (Although there are a few exceptions)

And by the 22nd move, White still hasn't castled.

These all look to me like elementary mistakes. So why is it good chess?

 

These "elementary mistakes" are well known theory in one of the most sharp lines of Scandinavian.

 

 

After the game Caruana said that Black's position was uncomfortable after 11...e6 and Black would be fine after 11...c6 or 11...h5 12.0-0-0 c6.  

rterhart

I have no doubt that it is well-known theory. My question is: why is it good chess?

The way I see it, the same postion can be reached after 3. Bc4 Bf5 and then White can decide whether to play f3 or something else entirely, while Black is in effect a tempo up compared to the game you showed.

So why is it better for the Bishops to go to b5 and g4 first?

Brixed
rterhart wrote:

@ Nelson Moore: I'm a bit surprised that a couple of 2000+ players like you make moves that seem to go against some basic opening principles.

What's the point of 3. Bb5+? White is simply wasting a tempo.

And a move later, Black does the same with ... Bg4.

Then White plays f3 - in my humble opinion, only bad things happen when you play f3. (Although there are a few exceptions)

And by the 22nd move, White still hasn't castled.

These all look to me like elementary mistakes. So why is it good chess?

 

Hi rterhart. I agree that the moves might seem to break principle, though I've provided a basic explanation for the reasoning behind them above. ^

rterhart

That was helpful. Thanks!