Solid responses against English and Bird opening?

  • #1

    I'd like to hear about your experiences about solid responses against English and Bird openings.

  • #2

    I usually play this line in the English:



  • #3

    Is an English symetrical variation. And starts like a Caro-Kann until 3rd move. Seems reasonable to me.

  • #4

    You can transpose into the Tarrasch defence against the English. I generally go with From's Gambit against Bird. But you have to be prepared for King's Gambit with Black if you play e5.

  • #5

    Against the Bird, just play a reversed mainline Dutch: 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 g6.

    White's extra tempo doesn't turn the Dutch Defence into an attacking weapon.

  • #6
    duck_and_cover wrote:

    Against the Bird, just play a reversed mainline Dutch: 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 g6.

    White's extra tempo doesn't turn the Dutch Defence into an attacking weapon.

    You'd best be up on your reversed Leningrad theory then.

  • #7

    bermen against english, dutch against bird, just the most solid moves to go with in a flank opening. From there, you can go to any direction you want, if it's controlling the center, fianchetto, knights, and etc.

  • #8

    1...e5 against both is fine.

  • #9
    jempty_method wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    1...e5 against both is fine.

    Possibly, but I wouldn't characterize From's Gambit 1. f4 e5 as solid, would you?

    Absolutely solid.

    Black will simply develop with ...Nf6, 0-0, Nc6 etc and play against the liabilities in white's position, which are well worth a pawn.

    No need for ...g5 crap and such.

  • #10

    Anglo-indian now against the English (I have a nice 3 minute win against my friend in Portland when we raided the PSU cafeteria on a Wednesday night)

    Against the Bird, I will simply try for the reversed Dutch and take my chances, especially if White is Kind enough to let me get Bg4 in after developing his Knight.

  • #11

    I will say that opening scheme for Black does not seem to be for the faint of heart for sure. I have gone wrong in it about as many times as I have gone right LOL.

  • #12
    vengence69 wrote:

    I will say that opening scheme for Black does not seem to be for the faint of heart for sure. I have gone wrong in it about as many times as I have gone right LOL.

    Actually it's very easy to play, and very solid. The only mistake Black may commit is counting the pawns!

    Here is a recent centaur game, where Black had zero problems. Just notice how natural and predictable all Black's opening moves are:



  • #13

    @helltank (#2) : one day, White will play 6.Nxe5 and you will understand why you cannot play it. Yo do not lose a pawn, but you lose a central pawn, the pair of bishop, and create a monster on g2.

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