The f5 Opening
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white!
There's this:
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[Black "Computer (Level 10) (0)"]
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 g6 3.fxg6 Nf6 4.gxh7 Rxh7 5.Bd3 Rg7 6.Be2 d6 7.Bh5 Nxh5 8.Qxh5 Kd7 9.Ne2 c6 10.d3 Kc7 11.Bg5 Nd7 12.Nbc3 Nf6 13.Bxf6 exf6 14.O-O d5 15.Nf4 Bd6 16.Qf3 Qg8 17.Nfxd5 cxd5 18.Nb5 Kc6 19.Nxd6 Kxd6 20.Rfe1 Be6 21.g3 Re8 22.Qf4 Kd7 23.Qa4 Ke7 24.Re3 Kf8 25.Qd4 Rge7 26.Qxf6 Qf7 27.Qh8 Qg8 28.Qf6 Bf7 29.Rf1 Qg7 30.Qd6 Qg6 31.Qa3 Qa6 32.Qxa6 bxa6 33.Rfe1 Rc7 34.Rxe8 Bxe8 35.c3 d4 36.c4 Bg6 37.Rd1 Re7 38.Rd2 Bh5 39.Kf1 Bg4 40.h4 Bh3 41.Kg1 Re1 42.Kh2 Bg4 43.Kg2 Re2 44.Rxe2 Bxe2 45.f4 Bxd3 46.b3 Bb1 47.a3 Bc2 48.Kf3 Bxb3 49.Ke4 Bxc4 50.Kxd4 Be2 51.f5 Bd1 52.Ke3 Kg7 53.Kf4 Kh6 54.g4 a5 55.g5 Kg7 56.f6 Kg6 57.Ke5 Bb3 58.Kf4 Bd1 59.Ke5 Bb3 60.Kf4 Bd1
This is called Duras Gambit - Bavarian Attack
Not the Sprotnik Maneouvre?
Jion_Wansu wrote:
From my other thread on USCF:
Since I created this. I would like to call the mainline the German opening:
1. e4 f5
2. exf5 g6
3. fxg6 Nf6
4. gxh7 Rxh7
Would you be black or white?
Duras Gambit: German Opening that can lead into the Duras Gambit: Bavarian Attack (for black)...
So what do you guys/gals think?...
BLACK Nightmare! Its showing all the donots you have to avoid in the important stage of the game. If any of the Fide Top ten would be able to end in draw as black side i would change my mind but i wont. The other way is that some loud shouting it German opening is unsound and hides some lack in Character of the speaker.
two pawns and no pompensation in the development of pieces. This is hardly not to call a gambit.
No, black has a direct attack on white's king side for the 2 pawns and will eventually control the center...
Any way show some draw or won games in the upper level class! No Fideplayer would try such a piece donating nightmare! Show some instructional ans end this nonprofund bla bla! Thanks!
InfiniteFlash wrote:
This opening is worse than the bongcloud.
Nothing is worse than the bong cloud.
melvinbluestone wrote:
Once, in a blitz game, I pre-moved 2.Nf3 after 1.e4. (my opponent had just played 2...e5 like a million times in our previous games). What a surprise when I saw 2...f5 and then of course fxe4. I plodded on with 3.Ng5, and then realized that I had unwittingly transposed into an uncommon line called the Lisitsin Gambit. Come to think of it, most of my moves are made 'unwittingly'....... Anyway, the usual sequence is 1.Nf3 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Ng5, sort of a Dutch-Reti thing. I believe it's quite playable for black. However, if you play f5 after 1.e4, don't expect to see 2.Nf3. Expect to see 2.exf5 and a bad game.
After the game, my opponent told me he had meant to play 1...e5, but that 1...f5 was a mouse slip!>>>
That position in #823, after ...d5 and ... h6 who is better? I can't see anything for white other than 6. e5. Looks like black has to swap knights and end up with a massive hole in the k-side. Better for white maybe?
Optimissed a écrit :
melvinbluestone wrote:
Once, in a blitz game, I pre-moved 2.Nf3 after 1.e4. (my opponent had just played 2...e5 like a million times in our previous games). What a surprise when I saw 2...f5 and then of course fxe4. I plodded on with 3.Ng5, and then realized that I had unwittingly transposed into an uncommon line called the Lisitsin Gambit. Come to think of it, most of my moves are made 'unwittingly'....... Anyway, the usual sequence is 1.Nf3 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Ng5, sort of a Dutch-Reti thing. I believe it's quite playable for black. However, if you play f5 after 1.e4, don't expect to see 2.Nf3. Expect to see 2.exf5 and a bad game.
After the game, my opponent told me he had meant to play 1...e5, but that 1...f5 was a mouse slip!>>>
That position in #823, after ...d5 and ... h6 who is better? I can't see anything for white other than 6. e5. Looks like black has to swap knights and end up with a massive hole in the k-side. Better for white maybe?
Some brief analysis :
Well, after 6. e5 ...hg 7. ef ...ef, I thought perhaps 8. c4.
After 6. Nf3, black's game is definitely very difficult and it does look like the real reason why ...d5 isn't played.
I don't know where u saw d5 isn't played, it has been played by some GM, including Korchnoi...
After 4.d3, if i give some stats (according megadatabase 2019) :
On 864 games after 4.d3,
- 4...e3, 275 games, 57.8%
- 4...e5, 238 games, 53.4%
- 4...d5, 131 games, 46.2%
Then other side lines...
We could wonder why black scores so much with d5 : I don't know, I think there are few games where white played like the lines I gave.
If you look for links, there are comparatively few games where ...d5 is played in the sequence we are discussing. Maybe it just proves what I've been arguing for ages .... that GMs get where they are often just due to tactical ability. A positional player wouldn't want to get into that position as black.
Ingwerjunkee wrote:
Any way show some draw or won games in the upper level class! No Fideplayer would try such a piece donating nightmare! Show some instructional ans end this nonprofund bla bla! Thanks!
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[White "Computer (Level 10) (0)"]
[Black "Computer (Level 10) (0)"]
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 g6 3.fxg6 Nf6 4.gxh7 Rxh7 5.Bd3 Rg7 6.Be2 d6 7.Bh5 Nxh5 8.Qxh5 Kd7 9.Ne2 c6 10.d3 Kc7 11.Bg5 Nd7 12.Nbc3 Nf6 13.Bxf6 exf6 14.O-O d5 15.Nf4 Bd6 16.Qf3 Qg8 17.Nfxd5 cxd5 18.Nb5 Kc6 19.Nxd6 Kxd6 20.Rfe1 Be6 21.g3 Re8 22.Qf4 Kd7 23.Qa4 Ke7 24.Re3 Kf8 25.Qd4 Rge7 26.Qxf6 Qf7 27.Qh8 Qg8 28.Qf6 Bf7 29.Rf1 Qg7 30.Qd6 Qg6 31.Qa3 Qa6 32.Qxa6 bxa6 33.Rfe1 Rc7 34.Rxe8 Bxe8 35.c3 d4 36.c4 Bg6 37.Rd1 Re7 38.Rd2 Bh5 39.Kf1 Bg4 40.h4 Bh3 41.Kg1 Re1 42.Kh2 Bg4 43.Kg2 Re2 44.Rxe2 Bxe2 45.f4 Bxd3 46.b3 Bb1 47.a3 Bc2 48.Kf3 Bxb3 49.Ke4 Bxc4 50.Kxd4 Be2 51.f5 Bd1 52.Ke3 Kg7 53.Kf4 Kh6 54.g4 a5 55.g5 Kg7 56.f6 Kg6 57.Ke5 Bb3 58.Kf4 Bd1 59.Ke5 Bb3 60.Kf4 Bd1
Jion_Wansu wrote:
Jion_Wansu wrote: From my other thread on USCF:Since I created this. I would like to call the mainline the German opening: 1. e4 f52. exf5 g63. fxg6 Nf64. gxh7 Rxh7Would you be black or white?
From my other thread on USCF:
Since I created this. I would like to call the mainline the German opening:
1. e4 f5
2. exf5 g6
3. fxg6 Nf6
4. gxh7 Rxh7
Would you be black or white?