The Queenside Fried Liver

  • #181

    To elaborate on why white isn't "just fine",



  • #182

    But Nachtwulf, white has Ke2 and Kd2 lol.

  • #183

    Qb6 Ne2 might be whites only hope. Qxb2 Rb1 or Qa6 Nc1 will follow.

  • #184

    Shepi, you are garbage, shut up you have no reason for what you say. Nacht, white doesnt do qxd4, he does nb5.

  • #185

    My engine says that after b4 black has a -1 advantage.

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  • #187

    Also, nacht, white does 9. qc2 not rb1 so on qa6 white can either castle or rd1, so still unrefuted.

  • #188

    Whoops the minus was cut out.

  • #189
    whatupyodog wrote:

    Also, nacht, white does 9. qc2 not rb1 so on qa6 white can either castle or rd1, so still unrefuted.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL - White doesn't lose a pawn, but you don't account for his weak pawn, bad structure, lack of space, lack of development, and the fact that he's tied to defense, and the lack of bishop pair. Do you even play chess?

  • #190

    OK, the word "refuted" has been trotted out, as if being lame isn't enough, it has to be 100% losing in all lines.

    This is a worthless line in an obscure opening. There is a reason you don't see bunches of games played by GMs in this. Any guesses why that might be?

  • #191
    whatupyodog wrote:

    Shepi, you are garbage, shut up you have no reason for what you say. Nacht, white doesnt do qxd4, he does nb5.

    In that case, 5. e5 is funny. 6. Bxe5 Bxb4+ and white is in trouble.

  • #192

    Shepi explain to me the bad structure, lack of space and development. You are garbage and your input is worthless, you just say this without naming moves or stating why. Also, dr spudnick, there is no reason to bash this opening without reason and this openig was just invented by the_gavinator and I, that is why everyone doesnt play it.

  • #193

    @ DrSpudnik

    Because the only practitioners of the opening seem to be involved in bashing people, not trying to coherently disprove thier Ideas, plus do not disregard anything whatup, that is more moronic than trying to prove that this idea of yours is 100% perfect and sovles chess as a win for white, because that is what I am getting here, that you are only playing this to catch people who are unaware, and my 20 move excersize is relavent, mainly because it came from the opening, gave and idea of how the game might be played out, and how Black has gained equlity from you attempting a trap which any decent player can avoid, now before you shovel my ideas, and table this discussion please elaborate, giving specific moves and variations, on how my idea doesn't work.

  • #194

    so white is winning...

  • #195

    After bxb4+ c3 and black is done. Jetfighter, shut up.

  • #196
    whatupyodog wrote:

     you just say this without naming moves or stating why

    So do you you dumb@$$, you really think that using this argument helps when I have already asked you to prove my refutation a flop, me thinks you are just to scared to try because I have found a fault in your prep that gives black the advantage.

  • #197

    at what move

  • #198

    What fault, your 20 move opening thoery? That was just a garbage player playing against another garbage player.

  • #199

    Here is the position I am wondering about with the moves leading up to it

  • #200

    Yo dudes, no need to turn this into a personal attack, even if you hold the gibberish opening (that was my first thought when I saw 'qsfl') dear to your heart. We're only here to refute/defend the lines, and demonstrate why it is or is not playable. As of right now, I don't see a single playable line for white if black plays correctly.

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