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finalunpurez
bronsteinitz wrote:

Conehead, how can the point be to save a tempo later? The point is to beat the shxx out of the opposition. Death, destruction, war.. Oops the alarm. Was i dreaming?

U take chess way too serious. :P

ltristam

The Ponziani?

Eseles

I just won this Ruy Lopez miniature with Black :D (unrated game)



Scottrf

Why not 7. Nd3?

finalunpurez

After Nd3, the e pawn is still lost i think.

Scottrf

finalunpurez wrote:

After Nd3, the e pawn is still lost i think.

Enough to resign? (not that it looks lost to me, but I'll take your word for it). I think they thought they would lose the knight but looks like they don't have to.

Eseles

"Why not Nd3?" Idk, let's wait for my opponent to come and answer :D

"are you proud of yourself?" Not especially.. What was the point of your question again?...

"After Nd3, the e pawn is still lost i think."  Yeah, me too ;)

"Enough to resign? (not that it looks lost to me, but I'll take your word for it). I think they thought they would lose the knight but looks like they don't have to." They would lose the Knight, because they didn't play Nd3, Qe2 was played... You see, i didn't make any analysis of the game or the Ruy Lopez... I just posted a real unrated game on the Ruy Lopez opening lines. This topic is about Ruy Lopez, so i think it's relevant. That's all. I still think my opponent resigned too soon, but i've had others resign just because they lost a pawn, which in my level is certainly not a game breaker! :D


DrSpudnik
levi223 wrote:

why bother with the ruy? just because to top gms play it doesn't mean you have to memorize 500000 lines yourself. the giucco piano is equally respectable...

The point of playing any opening is that you like the middlegame positions you get from it. As a player of the Italian Game (3.Bc4) since about 1975, I have often regretted not learning the more difficult Spanish when I had the time.

transpo

transpo wrote:

Chess is siege warfare in the form of a board game. It is about 3 strategies (restrain, blockade, execute--the enemy). At the same time it is about control of the center (d4,e4,d5,e5).  Also the general opening principles state that Ns should be developed before Bs.  So 3.Bb5 is some type of exception to this principle.

3.Bb5 temporarily restrains the advance of Black's b pawn at b7, and especially Black's d pawn at d7. The reason that the restraining of the d pawn is especially important is because

this pawn is critical to Black in controlling the center. If Black advances the d pawn then White can play 4.Bxc6 and give Black an exploitable loose doubled pawn complex after 4 ...bxc6. As opposed to a compact doubled pawn complex after 4 ...dxc6 which is practically impossible to exploit.

One of the best moves to counter 3.Bb5 is 3...Nf6 (the first move that indicates to White that Black is going to play the Berlin Defense.

If you would like to know more please let me know.

ltristam

Nice. Good information transopo

ltristam

Let's talk more about the Ruy Lopez

aggressivesociopath

Well what about it? It is the critical line after 1. e4 e5, but it is very large and can lead to closed positions, open positions, early endgames, positions resembling the modern benoni and positions resembling the sicilian defense.

ltristam

yes?

philtheking1981

I love the Ruy Lopez. I never go for the exchange though, I prefer the bishop staring down the long diagonal, safe in its outpost after stirring up a mini pawn-storm :p

ltristam

Me too. I usually eat the horse if the pawn is threatining. 

ltristam

I need more Ruy Lopez

ltristam

The RUY LOPEZ!

binblaster

Too much theory for me. I prefer the scotch gambit :P

ltristam

binblaster wrote   Too much theory for me. I prefer the scotch gambit  :P


Show me the scotch gambit

maDawson

Ruy Lopez was my first opening. 10 years later I still use it. Second favorite option to the nimzo-indian.