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why d4 is better than e4

  • #661

    its white's move in this ruy lopez opening. what are the arguments against knight taking the e6 pawn

  • #662

    Well, my argument would be that taking the pawn on e6 is not legal.

  • #663

    The argument is simple. Qd4.

  • #664

    taking the pawn on e5, sorry! is the risk of black moving qd4 so threatening?

  • #665
    jjd23 wrote:

    taking the pawn on e5, sorry! is the risk of black moving qd4 so threatening?

    Well, white is already worse, which isn't something they look for in an opening. Black's development is a lot easier and they have the bishop pair.

    Significantly, without the e pawns, white doesn't have a kingside 4 on 3 majority as in other Ruy Lopez lines.

  • #666

    White wants an advantage out of the opening. Taking on e5 just does nothing to get there.

  • #667

    Thanks all :)

  • #668
  • #669
    DrSpudnik wrote:

    The analysis of d4 openings is probably as deep as with e4 openings. I just think most people don't bother to memorize them for some reason, probably fearing a tactical blow-up in an open game. Your early wins with the change to closed games probably reflects the laziness of most people who don't study closed games. Then when you start playing better players, it became more difficult to convert the slight opening + into a win. Better players have memorized more stuff and have more experience.>>>

    Perhaps also it's a "different type" of analysis. Maybe analysis of d4 openings tends to be less "hard" and more "based on opinion which is not fully tested".

    By contrast, where long reams of analysis of e4 openings exists, and it is pretty common, it tends to be tested in a more concrete fashion, often over many decades.

    So I stick by my comments. I think you are tending to confuse accurate analysis of open games with speculative analysis of d4 openings.

  • #670
    pfren wrote:

    d4 is better than e4 because patzers like blaming their openings for their failures. Later on, when they switch to d4 and still lose, come to the conclusion that 1.Nh3 is the best first move by far.

    1.Nh3. Funny.

  • #671

    I looked at the April issue of Chess Life this morning. It appears that Andy Soltis got an idea from this thread.

  • #672

    1.c4 seems solid. Also 1.Nf3.

  • #673
    Ziryab wrote:

    I looked at the April issue of Chess Life this morning. It appears that Andy Soltis got an idea from this thread.

    wait my thread got into chess life?

  • #674

    Theoretically 1. d4 probably is a slightly stronger move.  It seems to give black less chances to equalise in most of the mainlines.  The stats seem to back this up.

  • #675

    No, theoretically e4 is the better move according to several engines, objectively perhaps by a decipawn. But first you have to memorize bulkloads of theory and second its harder to keep your advantage. 1.d4 black has 1...Nf6, 1...d5, 1...e6, 1...d6, and 1...f5 and d6 and e6 are minor responses not major. 1.e4 black has 1...c5, e5, e6, c6, d6, nf6, d5, g6 etc. keep in mind players on the black side vs 1.e4 only need one or 2 responses out of all of them, while white has to know all of them.

  • #676

    <<No, theoretically e4 is the better move according to several engines>>

    Sorry but in what way does that make sense please?

  • #677

    I dont think you can say one opening is better than the other because everyone has there own style of play. The move d4 leads more positional game while e4 is tactical.

  • #678
    ajian wrote:

    No, theoretically e4 is the better move according to several engines...

    Noone gives the slightest fook about what engines say on openings- unless he is a fool.

  • #679

    pfren wrote:

    ajian wrote:

    No, theoretically e4 is the better move according to several engines...

    Noone gives the slightest fook about what engines say on openings- unless he is a fool.

    Nice!
  • #680

    It just depends on your preference and what you feel comfortable with.

    I prefer 1. d4, but some people play 1. c4, 1. Nf3, 1. Nc3, 1. f4 (haven't played against that yet though)

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