Anti-ICCF group founded + 1st tournament

  • #121

    Why would a set of rules specify what is allowed?

  • #122

    The problem with this thread is that Polar_Bear accuses many players of "cheating" and when they respond to this--they are declared "off subject".

  • #123

    To be honest...i despise the idea that centaurism is the Future. But i certainly do not dismiss players who practice it in the meantime. I sincerely believe some of those individuals who have posted here, contrary to your (the OP's) ideology, that centaurizing is just an means to stay competitive in Today's Correspondence Chess format. Because there was a time when, not so long ago, this format (CC or Postal) wasn't even considered as an true form of Chess-rather instead, an Casual variant (like Blitz).

  • #124

    These days, it has become very relevant, more so if not less than playing Blitz games. That being said, however, i do agree that certain major CC organizations should just, henceforth, put aside their sentimentality and simply add another "C" (for Centaur) into their acronyms.

  • #125

    (It would, in my opinion, eliminate many concerns that several CC Purists have ie Viability of True CC Champions, Accomplishments, Descrempancies of Ethics etc)

  • #126
    Scottrf wrote:

    Why would a set of rules specify what is allowed?

    Because, obviously, some CC players lack either common sense or sense for fair play. It should go without saying players shall decide moves themselves without help of other players, even the ICCF mentions that (and let's accept that engines are kind of players too, not mere tools, as obvious and axiomatic).

    It happened in the pre-computer era too, but it used to be marginal issue, because strong continuous (human) assistance was quite unusual. It couldn't be statistically proven then, because there weren't numeric evaluations of moves available. It could be ignored then, but today computer's assistance is easily available, strong and continuous. Fortunately, computers offer solution as anti-cheat analytical tools too.

  • #127
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  • #128
    Polar_Bear wrote:
    ponz111 wrote:

    Why "anti"? The ICCF is a well established group.

    ICCF is just another online chess playserver, which usurps the rights to run online correspondence championships and proclaim correspondence chess champions. My points are:

    1) ICCF doesn't prohibit and police computers, thus its "championships" are awful joke.

    2) If ICCF playserver can host world championships, chess.com can too. There is no TM for correspondence world championship.

    3) Chess.com is the biggest playserver, ICCF-web is pretty average. Apart from the dubious ICCF's computer approach, the world championship hosted here will be more valid, because of more members.

    4) Lack of recognition by FIDE doesn't matter, because FIDE became untrustworthy itself under Kirsan Ilyumzhinov.

    is this true? Because I am considering joining ICCF. If computer use is allowed, then I might reconsider.

  • #129

    Yes, ICCF allows engines.

  • #130
    Sred wrote:

    Yes, ICCF allows engines.

    ok. It is centaur chess then? Do you know if they have a section for non engine users?

  • #131
    derekj1978 wrote:
    Sred wrote:

    Yes, ICCF allows engines.

    ok. It is centaur chess then? Do you know if they have a section for non engine users?

    1. Yes, it's centaur chess.

    2. I don't know for sure if they have such a section, but I don't believe it.

  • #132
    derekj1978 wrote:
    Sred wrote:

    Yes, ICCF allows engines.

    ok. It is centaur chess then? Do you know if they have a section for non engine users?

    Centaur chess is prohibited on chess.com Smile

  • #133
    hicetnunc wrote:

    Centaur chess is prohibited on chess.com

    More precisely: You may play unrated centaur games and tournaments, if agreed beforehand.

  • #134

    Before joining ICCF I should of done my homework. I though once you joined you can start playing, but you need to purchase a membership in the particular country where you reside.

  • #135
    derekj1978 wrote:

    Before joining ICCF I should of done my homework. I though once you joined you can start playing, but you need to purchase a membership in the particular country where you reside.

    What time do you of?

  • #136
    FirebrandX wrote:
    derekj1978 wrote:

    Before joining ICCF I should of done my homework. I though once you joined you can start playing, but you need to purchase a membership in the particular country where you reside.

    What time do you of?

    What time do you of?

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