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What do you think is a fair amount for a 2100 to charge ~1400s for lessons?

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The best way to start off is to teach yourself.

Irontiger
chessmaster102 wrote:

I'm just starting out as a coach and charge 2.75 ($1 first time) to analyze a persons game at my club ($5.50 for a hour lesson) (...)

Are you aware that (no matter how inexperienced you are as a teacher) working for $5.50/h is ridiculously low? Lower than minimum wage in most countries, for an activity that (supposedly) takes a high input of qualified brain.

IAC_MattSchladweiler

I've been a full time chess instructor for 4 years, part time for an additional 6 and have worked with and trained several instructors, hundreds of students, worked with several teams and I own my own company.

Regarding a reasonable rate for chess instruction depends almost entirely on one question:

Are you trying to make a living out of chess instruction (Full time job/primary source of income) or is this going to be a hobby?

Regardless of your answer, you have to be passionate about what you do and be willing to work incredibly hard as professional chess instruction is not an easy field to get into.

If this will be your full time job/primary source of income, then you need to make sure you are making enough to support yourself. $40,000 a year is a reasonable goal for any starting wage. LongIslandMark was correct in stating that you should base this off of 1000 hours. If you plan to work 40 hours a week as a chess instructor, you will only be able to instruct for half of that. Everyone forgets that you need to consider:

  • travel time (I drive 30-40,000 miles a year for instruction alone)
  • prep time (if you are NOT preparing for your students individual needs, you will NOT be a good instructor regardless of your strength)
  • marketing time (if you don't market yourself the chances of you getting full on lessons is extremely low)
  • time spent developing your own game to stay current
  • other administrative duties - accounting/taxes/etc.
Because of the above, you will need to charge at least $40 an hour to make $40,000 a year. Make sure to properly document your mileage and all your deductions (tournament entry fees, books and training materials, hotel costs, etc.)
 
Don't forget, that you need a consistent 20 lessons a week to make that.
 
Now, if you are doing it as a hobby. Charge whatever makes you happy, just try to a least cover your expenses!
 
By the way, I'm only rated a Class A player over the board. My rating is currently 1840. I have successfully trained several players in the Expert range.

In regards to people seeking instruction, remember that you get what you pay for. If you want an instructor who will take the time to analyze your games, create proper lesson plans specifcally for YOU and will give you the care you need to create a trusting relationship (You need to believe that they always have your best interests in mind). 
varelse1

THEIR IMMORTAL SOUL!!!!!

johnmusacha

moe karpov plz

Scottrf
pfren wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

Are you aware that (no matter how inexperienced you are as a teacher) working for $5.50/h is ridiculously low? Lower than minimum wage in most countries, for an activity that (supposedly) takes a high input of qualified brain.

You probably have a wrong idea about wages outside of your country. I will take as an exaple Ukraine, which is an extremely developed country, chess-wise, and the average daily wage is no more than 8$.

But he's from the US. $5.50 is very low, but he's a child.

Till_98

Btw why are your chess.com ratings so low? You never play like 2100 with a 1800 Blitz rating on chess.com. Dont tell me that

Irontiger
pfren wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

Are you aware that (no matter how inexperienced you are as a teacher) working for $5.50/h is ridiculously low? Lower than minimum wage in most countries, for an activity that (supposedly) takes a high input of qualified brain.

You probably have a wrong idea about wages outside of your country. I will take as an exaple Ukraine, which is an extremely developed country, chess-wise, and the average daily wage is no more than 8$.

Indeed, but the prize of commodities is different too, isn't it? In purchasing power parity, $5.50 / h remains pretty low.

I grant you that my post reads like utter ignorance in the current wording.

Elubas
Till_98 wrote:

Btw why are your chess.com ratings so low? You never play like 2100 with a 1800 Blitz rating on chess.com. Dont tell me that

Looks like someone values their blitz rating a little too much :)

We probably have pretty similar ratings otb (I'm a uscf expert), yet a 400 point difference in blitz. It's not like I don't try in blitz, but some formats work for people and some don't.

Till_98

Look at his tactics trainer rating. My 2300 tactics trainer I even reached without concentrating a lot.

And honestly the blitz and the tactics trainer ratings are the only ratings that really count on this site...

Elubas

Not really -- some are good at them, some are not. Obviously any time control has its own skill sets. And knowing lots of blitz specific things, that don't necessarily help much in longer time controls, could raise one's blitz rating by hundreds of points. It still takes a lot of chess skill also, but that does not conflict with my previous sentence.

iliabourgin
IAC_MattSchladweiler wrote:

I've been a full time chess instructor for 4 years, part time for an additional 6 and have worked with and trained several instructors, hundreds of students, worked with several teams and I own my own company.
Regarding a reasonable rate for chess instruction depends almost entirely on one question:

Are you trying to make a living out of chess instruction (Full time job/primary source of income) or is this going to be a hobby?Regardless of your answer, you have to be passionate about what you do and be willing to work incredibly hard as professional chess instruction is not an easy field to get into.

If this will be your full time job/primary source of income, then you need to make sure you are making enough to support yourself. $40,000 a year is a reasonable goal for any starting wage. LongIslandMark was correct in stating that you should base this off of 1000 hours. If you plan to work 40 hours a week as a chess instructor, you will only be able to instruct for half of that. Everyone forgets that you need to consider:

  • travel time (I drive 30-40,000 miles a year for instruction alone)
  • prep time (if you are NOT preparing for your students individual needs, you will NOT be a good instructor regardless of your strength)
  • marketing time (if you don't market yourself the chances of you getting full on lessons is extremely low)
  • time spent developing your own game to stay current
  • other administrative duties - accounting/taxes/etc.
Because of the above, you will need to charge at least $40 an hour to make $40,000 a year. Make sure to properly document your mileage and all your deductions (tournament entry fees, books and training materials, hotel costs, etc.)
 
Don't forget, that you need a consistent 20 lessons a week to make that.
 
Now, if you are doing it as a hobby. Charge whatever makes you happy, just try to a least cover your expenses!
 
By the way, I'm only rated a Class A player over the board. My rating is currently 1840. I have successfully trained several players in the Expert range.
In regards to people seeking instruction, remember that you get what you pay for. If you want an instructor who will take the time to analyze your games, create proper lesson plans specifcally for YOU and will give you the care you need to create a trusting relationship (You need to believe that they always have your best interests in mind). 

Best answer by far!

tygxc

no title = no charge

Friend0fFischer

12.34 USD per hour.

astrologerdevanand

Given a ranking of 2100, charging around 1400 for lessons appears fair, considering the high degree of expertise. Factors such as market rates, demand, and value provided have to also be taken into account. Experimenting with pricing and adjusting based on comments can help find the most effective rate.

andblunderstheking
astrologerdevanand wrote:

Given a ranking of 2100, charging around 1400 for lessons appears fair, considering the high degree of expertise. Factors such as market rates, demand, and value provided have to also be taken into account. Experimenting with pricing and adjusting based on comments can help find the most effective rate.

Chatgpt ahh answer.

Duncan-Mcloud43

Nothing, because a 2100 here is nothing. Yes you would destroy me, I'm just saying compaired to the site..