Greatest Chess Master in History

kindaspongey

"... [Morphy's] only devotion to the game, if it may be so termed, lay in his ambition to meet and to defeat the best players and great masters of this country and of Europe. ... this one ambition satisfied [(in 1857-1858)], he appeared to have lost nearly all interest in the game. ..." - Charles Amédée de Maurian (1884)
https://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/charles-de-maurians-obituary-of-paul-morphy

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote (~51 minutes ago):

Current standings:

Bobby Fischer: 20

Paul Morphy: 15 ...

How many previous Stauntonmaster-Morphy posts are being counted by FBloggs?

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote (~3 hours ago):

Current standings:

Bobby Fischer: 20

Paul Morphy: 15 ...

How many previous Stauntonmaster-Morphy posts are being counted by FBloggs?

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote (~2 hours ago):

Current standings:

Bobby Fischer: 21

Paul Morphy: 16 …

How many previous Stauntonmaster-Morphy posts are being counted by FBloggs?

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote:

... I compare masters of different eras on a relative basis — their dominance over their contemporaries. It would be meaningless to compare Morphy with Carlsen on an absolute basis. …

Why would one consider it meaningful to compare players on the basis of "dominance"? I see no escape from the difference between dominating 1858 players and dominating twentieth or 21st century players. It is perhaps worthwhile to keep in mind that, in 1858, the chess world was so amazingly primitive that players still thought tournaments were a pretty neat idea. There were no chess clocks. There was no generally accepted authority for handing out master titles.

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote:

... Some people say that Morphy wouldn't be competitive today but that's ridiculous because it assumes he would arrive in the 21st Century via a time machine and know nothing about the evolution of the game since the mid-19th Century. ...

And others say that we do not how Morphy would do in the 21st century, however he got there.

kindaspongey
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kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote (~2 hours ago):

Current standings:

Bobby Fischer: 22

Paul Morphy: 17 ...

How many previous Stauntonmaster-Morphy posts are being counted by FBloggs?

kindaspongey
KingsBishop wrote (~1 hour ago):

Regarding Paul Morphy:

"Perhaps the most accurate player who ever lived, he would beat anybody today in a set-match. He had complete sight of the board and seldom blundered even though he moved quite rapidly. I've played over hundreds of his games and am continually surprised and entertained by his ingenuity."

-Bobby Fischer.

"Lasker ... didn't understand positional chess." - another Fischer quote from around the same time as his Morphy comments.
Extended discussions of Morphy have been written in books by GM Franco, GM Beim, GM Ward, GM Marin, GM Bo Hansen, GM McDonald, Garry Kasparov (with Dmitry Plisetsky), and GM Gormally. Anyone see any of them express the view that we should accept Fischer's conclusion about Morphy? There seems to be general agreement that Morphy was, as GM Fine put it, one of the giants of chess history, but that is a long way from saying that he was better than anyone playing today.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/who-was-the-best-world-chess-champion-in-history

camter
robbie_1969 wrote:

I think Reti put it best, 'Morphy was the first positional player'.  Actually Anderssen had more imagination and certainly as equal a grasp of combinations but Morphy outplayed him positionally. If you guys haven’t read Reti's books, Masters of the chessboard and Modern ideas in chess I would highly recommend them for they are the finest chess books possibly ever written.

+1

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote (~12 hours ago):
Shanelevene wrote:
FBloggs wrote:
Shanelevene wrote:

Remove my vote for Fischer... I no longer think he is the best of all time.

I don't remember you voting. I'll reverse your vote if you give me the post number.

O, so we have the OP now trying to cook the books in favour of Fischer! I knew this would happen. Find the post yourself. You seem to have more than enough time on your hands. Can't believe it. Even in an online poll people are out to cook the books. I want no part of this dishonesty.

First, the accusation that I'm cooking the books in favor of Fischer is absurd. I didn't even vote for him. I voted for Morphy.

Second, I don't recall seeing you here before your recent post asking me to remove your vote for Fischer. If I knew that you voted for Fischer, I would remove the vote. But I'm not going to look for your original post just because you couldn't be bothered looking for it.

Third, it's good that you want no part of this because you no longer have that option anyway.

Anybody see anything about a willingness to do anything about the counting of previous Stauntonmaster-Morphy posts?

robbie_1969
camter wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

I think Reti put it best, 'Morphy was the first positional player'.  Actually Anderssen had more imagination and certainly as equal a grasp of combinations but Morphy outplayed him positionally. If you guys haven’t read Reti's books, Masters of the chessboard and Modern ideas in chess I would highly recommend them for they are the finest chess books possibly ever written.

+1

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robbie_1969

Spongebob why you remonstrate with FBoobs?  He only believes his own propaganda.  He blocked me ages ago and I count it as a blessing because I don't need to read his slobbery drool.

WellerinoPlayderino
robbie_1969 wrote:

Spongebob why you remonstrate with FBoobs?  He only believes his own propaganda.  He blocked me ages ago and I count it as a blessing because I don't need to read his slobbery drool.

fbloggerino joined the dark side.

kindaspongey
ProfessorDeath wrote (~21 hours ago):

... according to nearly every GM and Super GM, every poll ever, chessmetrics, CAPS, you name it, Morphy, Fischer, Capablanca, and Kasparov are on pretty much everyone's top 5 list, ...

Carlsen-2961 Kramnik-2868 Kasparov-2816 Fischer-2775 Anand-2759 Karpov-2698 Capablanca-2664 Tal-2636 Spassky-2619 Smyslov-2618 Botvinnik-2602 Euwe-2547 Alekhine-2547 Petrosian-2543 Lasker-2498 Morphy-2409 Steinitz-2323

https://www.chess.com/article/view/who-was-the-best-world-chess-champion-in-history

fabelhaft
ShockingReport wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

Spongebob why you remonstrate with FBoobs?  He only believes his own propaganda.  He blocked me ages ago and I count it as a blessing because I don't need to read his slobbery drool.

fbloggerino joined the dark side.

Don’t know about that, but maybe a bit quick to ban people from threads based on having different opinions :-)

WellerinoPlayderino

 Blocking is the path to the dark side. Blocking leads to anger. Anger leads to hate.

Hate leads to suffering.

kindaspongey
FBloggs wrote (~3 hours ago):

Current standings:
Bobby Fischer: 24
Paul Morphy: 18 ...

How many previous Stauntonmaster-Morphy posts are being counted by FBloggs?

kindaspongey
jakesam wrote(~38 minutes ago):

paul morphy invented positional chess

"... Wilhelm Steinitz, first world champion, almost single-handedly established the ground-rules for modern positional chess. ..." - IM Craig Pritchett (2011)

"... Generally considered to be the world's strongest player from around 1870 to the early 1890s, Steinitz was by far that era's most profound thinker. He approached chess in the main strategically, revolutionizing our understanding of position and approach to planning, ..." - IM Craig Pritchett (2011)