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Most underrated player ever?

  • #181

    Tigran Petrosian and Leonid Stein.

  • #182

    y do the underrated playeres have to be gm's. my vote goes to jeff Sarwar. Many players said he was stronger at 9, than Bobby was at 11. However,he was forced to give up chess, when his father, had little control over his life anymore-the father was in a case for abuse as well, i think.

  • #183

    @Smyslovfan

    Short loses credibility because of how easily he collapsed against Kasparov. A let-down after Garry's epic battles with Karpov.

    Nakamura. He has his moments, I guess. And is currently rating tied with WCC Anand. But he doesn't win too many of the top tournaments. Some. And his penchant for premature attacks makes one scratch their head. He reminds me of Larsen. Great at beating players lower than him. Not so good at players his own rating.

  • #184
    tesla1 wrote:

    Tigran Petrosian and Leonid Stein.

    Were they also underrated in their time?

    There's the natural tendency for dead players to fade into the mists of time, unless they became immortalised as a World Champion, and the rather more perverse disregard even when players are still alive and playing chess. I would certainly put Nigel Short in the second category.

  • #185
    fburton wrote:
    tesla1 wrote:

    Tigran Petrosian and Leonid Stein.

    Were they also underrated in their time?

    There's the natural tendency for dead players to fade into the mists of time, unless they became immortalised as a World Champion, and the rather more perverse disregard even when players are still alive and playing chess. I would certainly put Nigel Short in the second category.

    Petrosian was certainly a WCC. Two term, in fact. Not sure why he is so often overlooked.

  • #186

    His style of playing, perhaps? And yet we had Karpov...

  • #187

    Touche

  • #188
    SmyslovFan wrote:

    If you are looking for a player who is familiar to everyone, there are two that stand out as the most underrated strong players. They are both underrated for the same reason, they are outspoken and native English speakers. 

     

    Nigel Short and Hikaru Nakamura are probably the two most underrated players of all time. 

    Nigel Short defeated Anatoly Karpov in a match for the right to play Kasparov in the World Championship. Yet he is often ridiculed, both as a commentator and as a player.

    Hikaru Nakamura has the highest rating ever for an American, has won a Board One Gold Medal, Wijk aan Zee (ahead of Anand, Carlsen, Aronian, Kramnik and others), and is undefeated against the World Champion in classical time controls! He is currently #7 in the world and has been as high as #3 in live ratings.

    And yet, very few chess fans take him seriously.

    These two are not obscure players, yet they are routinely underestimated by the chess public.

    what do you mean with classic time controls???

    yes Nakamura is great, to be honest i sometimes underestimate him, but ofc he is a monster. Its just bad luck, its like Aronian, he is like number 2 ranked player but when i happen to watch a game its always losing. Like Aronian he has so many wins, but i only watched one game of him winning (if we leave out the candidates) all other were losing. You automatically get the wrong impression. Even if you want to be objective that somehow stucks in your mind.

    Ofc from Nakamura i dont see so many losing games, but still i also dont happen to see the extraordinary ones that make him really famous.

    Nigel is pure awesomeness when it comes to commentating, i see no reason why anyone would belittle him. Except maybe tease him for telling the same a pawn is a criminal story more than once.

  • #189

    dont understand me wrong ofc from Aronian many winning games get published, only i who watch chess randomly only stumble upon the losing ones.

  • #190

    keres, schlecter or Nezhmetdinov.

  • #191
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  • #192
    AssauIt wrote:

    keres, schlecter or Nezhmetdinov.

    i dont think any of those are underrated. Keres was Christiansens idol.Also some said he was the strongest player to never become champion(well ofc they said it about a whole bunch of people but Keres being one of them)

    Schlechter was according to popular believe cheated of the world champion title by Laskers dirty doings (well thats what i read at least)

    Nezhmetdinov i dont know i think everyone loves him, i cant imagine him being underestimated. Especially knowing that he was inspiration to Tal.

  • #193

    Jeff anyone. Did noone read my post.

  • #194

    Probably the most underrated player ever is Anand.

  • #195
    TetsuoShima wrote:

    Probably the most underrated player ever is Anand.


    Come off it, he's always in the discussions of great players.

  • #196
    TetsuoShima wrote:
    AssauIt wrote:

    keres, schlecter or Nezhmetdinov.

    i dont think any of those are underrated. Keres was Christiansens idol.Also some said he was the strongest player to never become champion(well ofc they said it about a whole bunch of people but Keres being one of them)

    Schlechter was according to popular believe cheated of the world champion title by Laskers dirty doings (well thats what i read at least)

    Nezhmetdinov i dont know i think everyone loves him, i cant imagine him being underestimated. Especially knowing that he was inspiration to Tal.

    Exactly, they were all so great, great enough to be idols and inspirations for great players. However they get so little attention because they never held the world championship title. That's why I think they're under rated.

  • #197

    Assault i think i agree with you on that.

  • #198

    Sofia Polgar

  • #199

    Nezhmetdinov

  • #200

    Maroczy, Topalov, Bogo.

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