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Polugaevsky.

chessmaster102
checkmateibeatu wrote:
chessmaster102 wrote:

who is Turdoch ?


I googled him and it says nothing about him playing chess.


Same here thats why I asked.

checkmateibeatu

Yeah. I deleted him from the leaderboard.

chessmaster102

Tal Shaked

ploboo
checkmateibeatu wrote:
chessmaster102 wrote:

who is Turdoch ?


I googled him and it says nothing about him playing chess.


My mistake, I meant to say Tank Murdoch. As Rich pointed out sometimes the surname comes before the name, I get easily confused.

chessmaster102
ploboo wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:
chessmaster102 wrote:

who is Turdoch ?


I googled him and it says nothing about him playing chess.


My mistake, I meant to say Tank Murdoch. As Rich pointed out sometimes the surname comes before the name, I get easily confused.


Still couldn't find anything can you give a link to game or bio of him.

checkmateibeatu
Do you mean Tank Murdock?
MDWallace
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Burke

I agree with tarrasch, Nezhmetdinov. Most of the players on your list have been given their due (maybe not Panno but I'm not buying Panno). If you have been world champion or played for the world championship you can't be "underrated".

Nihiliac

Salo Flohr.

Winterzero

Well, I wasn't going to post (I mean what's it gonna do for anyone =]P ) but I noticed that Nezhmetdinov maybe wasn't counted correctly in the tallies, and, if I was actually going to contribute, Rashid Nezhmetdinov was actually the first name that came to mind.

 

Oops, I think I voted then.  Ahh well.

fabelhaft

If I had to pick one single player, why not Maroczy? Chessmetrics rank him as #11 on the 1-, 2- and 3-year-peak lists. In 1896 Maroczy was second behind Lasker in Nürnberg, and in 1923 he shared first with Alekhine and Bogo in Karlsbad. In between he scored many good results but is rather forgotten compared to contemporaries like Rubinstein and Marshall.

Moon_Knight
i vote reti also. awesome player. he got some credit mostly for 1.nf3 but other than that not much i`d say...
Crazychessplaya

I already voted for Ivanchuk, but here are a couple of names worthy of the title: Gunsberg, Fine, Mecking, Korchnoi, Keres, Khan, Pillsbury, Zukertort, Bogolyubov, Huebner, Ljubojevic, Speelman, Hjartarson.

JMB2010

Lenoid Stein

theoreticalboy

Ivana Balzac

Hugh Jundys

Eve Ninall

Lou Cowt

Noah Vale

 

All deserve their moment in the spotlight, finally.

raul72
ReasonableDoubt wrote:

I find it sad that almost no truly underrated players are in this topic, as people don't even know their names.  Nezhmetdinov is world-famous as one of the greatest attackers of all time, and isn't underrated at all considering that he never even became a GM!  Here's my list of truly underrated players, who (I think) have not been named in this thread more than once or twice.

1.  Vladimir Simagin

Simagin was one of the most creative and innovative thinkers of his time, contributing tons to theory and playing some of the most beautiful chess ever played.  Yet sadly, almost no one knows his name, despite his brilliant positional play, combinations, and the fact that he shaped the Grunfeld into what it is today.  He also coached Smyslov to the world championship.

2.  Mir Sultan Khan 

Khan is always overlooked on these lists, as he's too underrated for 90% of the chess population to even know who he is.  For the number 2 spot on the published list, Rubinstein, one of the greatest endgame players ever and a widely recognized all time great takes the spot instead of Khan, which just goes to show how much of a farce this list is.  Mir Sultan Khan was an indian servant who came out of nowhere and took the chess world by storm, but vanished as quickly as he came.  With no knowledge of the game and no experience whatsoever, he appeared out of the blue and beat Capablanca.  Due to racism, despite his winning the British championship three years out of the four years in his extremely short career he was never awarded any title.  To summarize his career on a short timeline (there are many more accomplishments in his career, go to Wikipedia to see):

-Khan learns to play chess the European way in 1929, does terribly at first tournament

-Khan wins British Chess Championship in 1930 (!!)

-Khan beats Capablanca in 1931

-Khan returns to his humble life of a servant in 1933

 

3. Grigory Levenfish

 

A great player and a true master of the endgame, Levenfish was denied money and resources by the soviet government despite excellent results and was slowly pushed out of chess for not having enough favor with the party.  For example, despite being reigning soviet champion he was not allowed by the government to go to the very strong AVRO 1938 tournament.  Despite playing great chess and contributing mountains of theory to rook endgames, he was destitute for almost his whole life and died miserable and almost penniless.  He also invented the Levenfish Attack against the Dragon Variation of the Sicilian Defense.

 

Now for the most overrated players of all time:

 

1.  Paul Morphy

I give credit to Morphy for being so much stronger than his peers, but I don't find most of his games instructive or even useful in any way.  All I see is NN opponents violently abusing the initiative and getting crushed, or a ridiculous sacrifice being played by Morphy and only working due to his opponents not even putting any effort into defending at all.  He only played seriously for about four years, and only had a few great games - they're just plastered everywhere so every 1000 player says Morphy is the greatest player ever.  When Morphy's opponents actually made it into the endgame due to not deliberately wasting as much time as possible and accepting every sacrifice, they usually won as Morphy butchered the endgame even worse than they did.

2.  Rashid Nezhmetdinov

A true calculating machine and a brilliant attacker, Nezhmetdinov's career never really panned out due to his weak positional play.  Attacking players are always overrated because people love seeing brilliancies and don't realize that flashy tactics don't make great players, great play makes great players.  Someone will now shove in my face the fact that he had plus scores against Tal, Spassky, and Geller, but if you put him in a position without the initiative he was dead against the players of his time (as these results show):

+0 = 1 -8 Averbakh

+0 = 3 -2 Petrosian and Korchnoi

Not being well rounded at all means that the player is overrated, not underrated.

 

3.  Frank Marshall


Basically the same as Nezhmetdinov, he was almost purely tactical and couldn't go 10 moves without sacrificing something.  People always talk about how brilliant his play is, but again if you pitted him against positional players who truly understood the game instead of just the initiative he usually lost.  I think part of the reason he's so overrated is because he's American, as there are less strong American players than there are Russians.


As to your racist comment concerning Khan --- Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine never received the Grandmaster title either.  Its in the book ---look it up!

Not to worry pal---I'm getting a collection going to buy you a tank. You're going to need a tank to pull your head out and breathe some fresh air. Take two aspirin and call the doctor if you're not feeling better!

See ya pally

JariIkonen

Adrian Mikhalchishin? =)

 


Kittysafe

Being underrated means he doesn't get recognition.. how can anyone consider Fischer underrated?  

Tleth

Absolutely agree Kittysafe!! He is a well known and a well appreciated player.