Most underrated player ever?

varelse1
asbnak wrote:

Boris Spassky

I agree with Asbnak. Spassky rocked. Especially in his early years. When he was all tactics and combinations.

MyCowsCanFly

NN

varelse1
Suvel_Karmarkar wrote:

yea but carlsen lost 2 of his last 3

Carlsen only loses 2 games/year.

And he already filled that quota for this year.

So the best Anand can hope for is to draw his match.

TetsuoShima
MyCowsCanFly wrote:

NN

you just copied mine lol

CP6033

varelse1   Kasparov is in my opinion the greatest chess player who ever lived. He Was rated about 2858 and Was world champion for a very long time. Carlsen may be rated higher but rating is different in different time periods I think.

MyCowsCanFly
MelvinDoucet wrote:

NN lost most of the games he played over the centuries, he's hardly underrated..

Understandably, many of the games NN won were not published. For good reason, most of the top players today have not played NN. For example, I couldn't find a single game in which Carlsen faced NN. I don't think that is an accident.

varelse1
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
MelvinDoucet wrote:

NN lost most of the games he played over the centuries, he's hardly underrated..

Understandably, many of the games NN won were not published. For good reason, most of the top players today have not played NN. For example, I couldn't find a single game in which Carlsen faced NN. I don't think that is an accident.

Carlsen is ducking NN!!

There can be no other explanaition!!! That coward!!

TBentley

Most of NN's wins would be against himself, I'm sure.

SmyslovFan

I think NN went into semi-retirement when facebook and twitter became ubiquitous.

Scottrf

NN beating:

Alekhine: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1012353

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1012374

Blackburne: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1029178

Marshall: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1094697

falcogrine

petrosian's style is underrated, he didn't lose too many games

InfiniteFlash

I think Kramnik is greatly underappreciated. Jan Timman is also another player who has been forgotten in the history books for some reason. 

SmyslovFan

No, neither have been forgotten, either by history books or knowledgeable fans of the game. The casual fans we run across here may not realize how great they both were and in Kramnik's case especially, stilll are. But go to ICC or some of the more serious chess sites and see what the average players there think of Timman and Kramnik.

Conflagration_Planet

Me. I'm really a grand master.

TetsuoShima
Randomemory wrote:

I think Kramnik is greatly underappreciated. Jan Timman is also another player who has been forgotten in the history books for some reason. 

Jan Timman is somehow a real super genius if you think about it.he was under influence in his youth and still became GM. Thats no easy task.

CP6033

Boris Gelfand

TetsuoShima
Randomemory wrote:

I think Kramnik is greatly underappreciated. Jan Timman is also another player who has been forgotten in the history books for some reason. 


yes jan timman is really underappreciated, if you think about what he consumed in his youth and still he got such a high rating. Thats not such a easy feat, unless the rumours i heard a exaggerated. But then again Tal, was not very modest too when it came to alterating the state of mind.

varelse1

Never been a huge Timman fan.

I have never seen another GM who can play a !! move, and immediatly follow it up with a ?? move, as often as he did.

It's like, do you know what's going on in this position, or don't you?

SmyslovFan

If you are looking for a player who is familiar to everyone, there are two that stand out as the most underrated strong players. They are both underrated for the same reason, they are outspoken and native English speakers. 

 

Nigel Short and Hikaru Nakamura are probably the two most underrated players of all time. 

Nigel Short defeated Anatoly Karpov in a match for the right to play Kasparov in the World Championship. Yet he is often ridiculed, both as a commentator and as a player.

Hikaru Nakamura has the highest rating ever for an American, has won a Board One Gold Medal, Wijk aan Zee (ahead of Anand, Carlsen, Aronian, Kramnik and others), and is undefeated against the World Champion in classical time controls! He is currently #7 in the world and has been as high as #3 in live ratings.

And yet, very few chess fans take him seriously.

These two are not obscure players, yet they are routinely underestimated by the chess public.

Rational_Optimist

Tigran Petrosian and Leonid Stein.