Club with the best vote chess discussions

I am looking for club referrals from vote-chess playing club members regarding the quality of team discussion prior to moves.  I have done a little vote chess now with a few different clubs and have noticed that there is a wide range in the quality of discussion of candidate moves, strategy, etc. 

For me, one of the primary purposes of participating in vote chess is to learn, and I think quality discussion is vital to that effort.   Can anyone share clubs they think have particularly good discussions?

There is an Australian club with strong vote chess. Really good conversations, too bad your not Aussie but you can try getting in? 'Outback'

Ok, so we have Outback called out as having good conversations.  Anyone have any others?

This one:

https://www.chess.com/groups/notes/the-chesscom-troll-university-trollu

A what?

A near what.

In other words a what you have when there is really no what to be had.

Perhaps as near what is a far what, or the meeting place of the two.

Disorganised vote chess is indeed quite common.  If you're considering joining a team, tou can look at a club's finished games and look through the archived moves to see the comments.

At The Ultimate Training Center, our discussion group includes strong players such as NMs @Impractical and @CedrHask, but weaker players are welcome too, so long as they follow our guidelines (wait until the last 24 hours to vote unless there's a good reason to vote early, only vote for a move that has been discussed in the comments, and anyone can suggest a candidate move).  Here's some of our games against other teams with an active discussion group:

Here was a hard-fought draw with Intellectual Chess Players: https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/98430 (the rematch is still ongoing but isn't looking so good for us)

A win over The Great British Empire: https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/108214 

A win over "MONIKA": https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/108156 

A draw with Great Viking Warriors: https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/108736 

A loss to Dynamic Dutch Defense: https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/99526 

Bird's Opening Lovers and The 1. b3 and 1. ..b6 Study Group are good.  Fantastic Voting Fanatics are small but active; as a very small club, they may be selective about who they admit.  There are others I haven't encountered yet, or that I've forgotten.

If you speak Russian, I think Serbia-Russia Team is good.  If German, Deutsch Schachfreunde.  I don't know much about clubs with other languages.

Some teams are more regimented, with a captain calling the votes, and people who overstep the rules by voting early or for a move with no discussion get a warning and may be removed for a second offence.  Others are more relaxed, but may still crack down on drive-by voting if it's repeated enough.

You could join several of those teams, join one game from each, and see which ones you like best.

BTW, @Postafi, LOL but I don't bite.   I do make a good effort to try to keep cheaters out of the club, but otherwise we're pretty relaxed in there.

@MGLeason I recently became a member of Bird's Opening Lovers and am participating in vote chess there.

I have been joining various clubs to try out the vote chess, and noticed quite a variety.  Rather than join a ton of groups, I am trying to narrow the field.  You've given me some good options.  Thanks.

I would like to avoid a fully regimented group with a captain calling the vote; that's repellent to me and sounds more like a dictatorship than a democracy.  Discussions are critically important but I want freedom to exercise free will.  I welcome being swayed by a compelling argument.  While I don't like ignorant drive-by votes, I don't mind the occasional drive-by vote as part of the messiness of democracy and accept it as a hazard of the terrain. 

Some people like the more regimented groups, others don't.

The Ultimate Training Center is one of the less-regimented ones.  We'll eventually crack down on repeat drive-by voters, but we don't have a captain calling the vote.  I think Great Viking Warriors are more strict.

My best vote chess team is Sacred Pawn Legion.No captain as such but the SA(German) regulates the play and he is nice and accomodates other's views.I have played some very good vote chess games with my teams(am active in vc for all my teams).

Improved my rating to 2000 plus purely by active vote chess participation.Lets you comprehend the different strategies and tactics by way of discussion rather than a coach teaching you like a kid.In my opinion even an engine cheater can't compete with a good vote chess team comprising higher rated and active players.

Discipline is very much part of the set up.Democratic voting can't win you games.

Team's interest of win/draw should be your interest also,then you won't feel being bulldozed or compelled to vote against your likes/desires.Lastly although I toe the official line in voting ,sometimes cast a different candidate move vote to express myself

or sometimes just due to oversight or mouse slip.All these are accepted norms and a rigid view of these are not taken by other players.

Even the team (with more than 10100 members and at least 10 to 25 members active in vote chess) had rare instances of time outs(no body voting for any move even after discussions and losing the game).Strange indeed.

For @eulers, here is my best game though a beginner and joined late in the game and rated about 1650.Team Bharat(then a strong Indian team) vs Kings Indian Defense(a very strong US team).Although it was a draw ,was a wonderful game lead by a  rated 2150 and 2380 respectively for the teams.Both had players rated above 2000 and 1900 and actively participating. Multiple piece sacrifices and positional upmanship being attained not generally seen in play between two strong teams.Click archives >click on each move of both teams to read comments.Of course after clicking the game link which is https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/71248.Enjoy.

Chess University recently got involved in vote chess.  That's a huge club, but the number who are actually actively involved is much lower, and they're making an effort to keep the discussion organised.  See this thread: https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/chess-university-officially-enters-vote-chess-join-now 

@NATHANKRISHNA thank you for your confirmation that discussion based vote chess is a great way to learn.  Of course the best result (Win or draw) for the team is my priority in any game I play, be it a team of 1 (me solo), a club match, or vote chess.  I'm troubled by the statement "democratic voting can't win you games", but I suspect you don't really mean it the way it reads to me.  I'll check out the vote chess game you referenced soon.

I will check them out. 

It seems like there is a potential for this site to improve upon vote chess.  As you say some don't seem to know about the discussions.  The interface may have something to do with it.  When you open a vote chess game, the discussion is "hidden" below the game.

I am a member [not playing right now] of The Chess Mine Vote Chess Team.

We have great discussions and some very strong members. [and a great record]

We are not recruiting right now...[unless you are master strength or above]

Ok thanks.  Obviously I am not master strength+.