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Where are "seeks"?

  • #1

    Hi, 

     

    I've been resisting the new Chess.com for weeks, mostly because I can't find my most-used feature from the old site, namely: The list of players seeking games. I can only see the graph, which I can't make head or tail of. 


    Where is the constantly updating table of Seeks? Surely that's absolutely vital to using the site??

    Kieron

  • #2

    There is currently only the graph for Live. I don't know if there are plans to have the list be an option or not.

  • #3

    There still isn't a "Seeks" on the new site comparable to the old one, and now they're going to close the old site!

    No! Am I really alone in finding this a MASSIVE hole in the new site? Am really I the only one whose standard way of using chess.com is to go immediately to Live Chess, look at the list of available "Seeks" and then use that to pick a game?

  • #4

    Seeks are auto-paired pretty quickly. The only ones that normally stick around for very long are the computer players and the non-standard time controls.

     

    So, the idea is that there won't be many seeks on the graph.

  • #5

    But why not give me the option of choosing someone to play? Why does that feature have to be taken away? I like it. I can't be the only one.

    The graph is provided in the new chess.com Why not also provide the table?? Why take features away that members like?

  • #6

    The reason is this: 

    Depending on the circumstances at that moment – e.g., on a break from work; waiting for my dinner to cook; etc. – I might be able to play various different lengths of game. Also, I would play different ratings of member depending on the lenght of the game. (e.g., I wouldn't play anyone 100+ points better than me in a 5-minute games, as it's too short for my brain and I always lose. I need minimum 10 minutes against a stronger player. But  if they're roughly equal ability to me and are 'Seeking' a 5-minute game, sure, I'd have a go at that.) 

    So it's all dependent on different variables – I can't punch all of those variables into a single Seek request of my own.

    Instead, I just to look down the list of Seeks and find one that I'd be happy playing. 

    Again: That's how I use the site. I can't be the only one. Why take that feature away?

  • #7

    Most of them are in India.

  • #8

    Simple: click play and you find opponent.

  • #9
    stevebanjo wrote:

    The reason is this: 

    Depending on the circumstances at that moment – e.g., on a break from work; waiting for my dinner to cook; etc. – I might be able to play various different lengths of game. Also, I would play different ratings of member depending on the lenght of the game. (e.g., I wouldn't play anyone 100+ points better than me in a 5-minute games, as it's too short for my brain and I always lose. I need minimum 10 minutes against a stronger player. But  if they're roughly equal ability to me and are 'Seeking' a 5-minute game, sure, I'd have a go at that.) 

    So it's all dependent on different variables – I can't punch all of those variables into a single Seek request of my own.

    Instead, I just to look down the list of Seeks and find one that I'd be happy playing. 

    Again: That's how I use the site. I can't be the only one. Why take that feature away?

    This option exist, choose timing, choose elo range of your opponent.

    This options still are here in v3

  • #10
    FabioFI17 wrote

    This option exist, choose timing, choose elo range of your opponent.

    This options still are here in v3

    No, you're missing the point. Yes, I can submit a Seek myself. Of course.

    But there are 6 different variables of games I would happily play at any one time. So that means submitting 6 different seeks based on time/rating/etc/.

    In v2, it's much quicker and easier to just look at the list of who's Seeking – times; ratings – and go "Yeah, ok, I'll play a 10 minute game against a 1500 rating" or "Sure, I'll play a 5 minute game against a 1200" etc.

    Why is that so difficult to continue offering in v3? 

  • #11
    stevebanjo wrote:

    But why not give me the option of choosing someone to play? Why does that feature have to be taken away? I like it. I can't be the only one.

    The graph is provided in the new chess.com Why not also provide the table?? Why take features away that members like?

     

    You still can. However, most of the seeks are paired before they get to the graph. I think in v2 they put the seeks in the graph almost immediately and now the do it after a small delay. That delay is enough to find an automatic pairing, therefore the seek never makes it to the graph. 

     

    It has been a while since I've used the v2 graph but a lot of the time seeks were disappearing as I looked at them, most likely due to auto-pairing. My guess is they made the seek display happen asynchronously in order to reduce the number of needed graph updates. The side effect is that the system auto-pairs seeks before they get displayed.

  • #12

    @stevebanjo, maybe put in a feature request where you can put in a more open seek that will get paired with anyone that is in the range. That would do what you want and I could see that being useful for a lot of people. 

  • #13

    @Martin_Stahl
    • To clarify again, it's not the graph I want, it's the table:

    • It's available in v2, and the seeks don't disappear too quickly for me. I know. I'm still using v2 and I was using the table today. It works fine. I like it. It's how I use chess.com.

    • Yes, I could put in a feature request but (a) as we both know, that will be a waste of time – they are ignored; (b) I don't want to put in a complex alogrithm for different ranges, I just want to look at the table!! and (c) my point is this is available in v2, why get rid of it in v3? What's the point of an "upgrade" that deletes features? 

  • #14

    Feature requests are not ignored but it is more likely staff/developers will not see this forum, so that almost guarantees nothing will be done. A feature request at least gets in front of the right people and if they find enough people want it, it may be something they add back.

     

    That said, I don't know why they got rid of the table option. Though, a lot of less used items, less useful items, and some general other things were removed from the site. Upgrades often remove lesser used feature or ones that may have other problems (from a site/load perspective).

  • #15

    I queried this almost a year ago, by email.

    Thread below:

    NOV 22, 2016  |  01:12AM PST

    Kayt replied:

    Hello Laurence!

    Thank you for writing in! I have reported this to the programmers for review and repair :)

    Thank you for your patience during this time!!!

     

    NOV 21, 2016  |  01:56AM PST

    Original message

    Hi chess.com


    I was advised in a forum by David, your staff member, to use "Report a bug"
    to contact developers, but try as I might I cannot get Report a bug to work.

    So here it is in an email, please route it to the right people.

    In Version 3 the list of open seeks is missing. I think the easiest thing
    is if I forward you David's reply in the thread which includes a screenshot
    showing how they appear in Version 2.
  • #16
    stevebanjo wrote:

    @Martin_Stahl
    • To clarify again, it's not the graph I want, it's the table:

    • It's available in v2, and the seeks don't disappear too quickly for me. I know. I'm still using v2 and I was using the table today. It works fine. I like it. It's how I use chess.com.

    • Yes, I could put in a feature request but (a) as we both know, that will be a waste of time – they are ignored; (b) I don't want to put in a complex alogrithm for different ranges, I just want to look at the table!! and (c) my point is this is available in v2, why get rid of it in v3? What's the point of an "upgrade" that deletes features? 

     

    That would be a cool feature to have.  FWIW, I never experienced v2.  Only v3.

  • #17

    It is a nice feature. Perhaps it will be restored in the future.

  • #18

    Thanks for following it up Laurence. I'm still crowbarring my way into V2 purely to keep this feature, despite chess.com's attempts to make me switch over to V3! 

    If they have this in V3, I'll happily switch over.

  • #19

    Thanks for replying, Steve. I go to V2 to start the games, but sometimes go to V3 during a game for the time bars beside the moves. It's the only thing I go to V2 for.

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