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12/14/2012 - Jung - Szabados, 1952

  • #221

    idiot puzzle, the real solution is f4

  • #222

    lame duck puzzle, the black king can escape surely in move 7 via Kg5...

  • #223

    great puzzle, took me a few goes to understand, thanks guys for clarifying, but yeah black has totally rooted himself

  • #224

    same sh$tty puzzle

  • #225

    cool one!

  • #226

    why isnt 3.pg3 mate???

  • #227
    raptor101010 wrote:

    lame duck puzzle, the black king can escape surely in move 7 via Kg5...

    I think you've missed the point of this, raptor101010.  It isn't about a quick mate after move 5 but leaving White in a winning position!

  • #228

    This is the best puzzle I've ever seen. So tricky and deep, a lot to learn from it.

  • #229
    stephen_33 wrote:

    If you play it through Assessor, it looks like a win for White but I wonder if anyone has run this through an engine?

    If you look at the continuation given in #229 (...), it looks as if the final placing of the bishop on g5 is a mistake - e5 seems better(?) After Be5, I can only find wins for White but g5 is problematic.

    I haven't run it through an engine, but White is very clearly winning. Black has no threats left and cannot keep the white king from advancing, pushing the h-pawn is easily deflected by White.

  • #230

    Fun puzzle.

  • #231

    that is kinda hardUndecided

  • #232
    stephen_33 wrote:

    I see they're making us all wait for today's (Saturday) puzzle!  Hope it's a good one.

     

    Assessor 

    White may now not be winning at this point but has now recovered the situation and also has a more than even chance to continue and win.


    If you play it through Assessor, it looks like a win for White but I wonder if anyone has run this through an engine?

    If you look at the continuation given in #229 by cailleach, it looks as if the final placing of the bishop on g5 is a mistake - e5 seems better(?) After Be5, I can only find wins for White but g5 is problematic.

    See post #151 and #209 as I gave the original account of the game and then offered 2 puzzles one with the original ending position and the other with the B on e5 that you also thought of.  What I don't understand is how do you think that B on g5 is a mistake?

    Black has no more threats and can only move his K to f5 or Pawn to h4. Neither of these moves advances Blacks position as there is never a threat of Black promoting either the g or h pawn.

  • #233
    Big_Daddy_10 wrote:
    stephen_33 wrote:

    If you look at the continuation given in #229 by cailleach, it looks as if the final placing of the bishop on g5 is a mistake - e5 seems better(?) After Be5, I can only find wins for White but g5 is problematic.

    See post #151 and #209 as I gave the original account of the game and then offered 2 puzzles one with the original ending position and the other with the B on e5 that you also thought of.  What I don't understand is how do you think that B on g5 is a mistake?

    Black has no more threats and can only move his K to f5 or Pawn to h4. Neither of these moves advances Blacks position as there is never a threat of Black promoting either the g or h pawn.

    Because this thread had gone 'cold', I didn't bother to keep my original analysis & can't remember exactly what I was thinking but I seem to have got stuck in a 'thinking knot' on this one & didn't see the best moves!

    Here's a rough reproduction of what (I think) I was thinking..



    It's much clearer to me now & obviously a win for White whatever Black plays.

    The more I look at that, the more I think I must have been having a bad day!

  • #234

    Tongue Outvery good

  • #235

    Smile

  • #236

    a

  • #237

    did not get how it work =.=

  • #238
    amir8ipin wrote:

    did not get how it work =.=

    Look at what each white move does and or threatens.  Then look at what white threatens on each possible black alternative to what was actually played in the puzzle solution.  Finally read through all of the comments.  Skip over the nonsensical ones, and you'll find some useful ones which explain the moves.  This should help.

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