# 12/27/2013 - Incredibly Exciting Forced Mate

• #221

What frustrates me about these puzzles is that they do not appear quite often to be from actual games. Here, for his third move, we are asked to accept that white played (or should play) rook to d5. Would not any sensible player play bishop on f7 takes Queen on c4 and worry about forcing the win afterwards? Or have I missed something? Come to think of it, why would black pay Qc4 for his second move? I pose these questions at the risk of being made to look silly.

• #222
RG1951 wrote:

What frustrates me about these puzzles is that they do not appear quite often to be from actual games. Here, for his third move, we are asked to accept that white played (or should play) rook to d5. Would not any sensible player play bishop on f7 takes Queen on c4 and worry about forcing the win afterwards? Or have I missed something? Come to think of it, why would black pay Qc4 for his second move? I pose these questions at the risk of being made to look silly.

For your 2nd wonderment, Qc4 is played as a last resort of defending the e6 square where the knight at g5 is going next for the mate. If i'm not mistaken, any other move by black leads to Ne6# immediately thereafter.

For your 1st point, well white's 2nd move (Ng5) was a step leading to Ne6#, so it was pretty obvious that after 2... Qc4, white only needs to block black's threat to e6 to finish it off, hence 3. Rd5. Any sensible player would go for the direct win. If you play 3. Bxc4, it implies that you did not have the mate in sight and that 2. Ng5 was merely a lucky coincidence/guess.

• #223

citizenoftheworld91,

Thank you for your analysis, but I suspect that the great majority of players in an actual game would not even look for such a finishing combination, never mind see it. I further believe that, if they were offered the Queen take, most would jump at it. Thank you again.

• #224

The third Move is so stupid

• #225

The third Move is so stupid

• #226

Wasnt it much better to take the queen

• #227
GenerousJack wrote:

Wasnt it much better to take the queen

Taking the queen with the bishop means that the next step (Ne6) is no longer mate. So unless infinity is less than 10, the answer is no, it wasn't better to take the queen.

• #228

これは難しい

• #229

black would have lasted longer if 1...Kxf7.

• #230

nevermind...there are three possible outcomes that lead to checkmate in 5 moves.

• #231

After 2. Rb7, black replies with 2. ... Nf6 protecting the d7 square and averting the mate.

• #232

@Hlrhaadi. Nothing is "killed" in chess - just captured..

• #233
ishan16494 wrote:
snake_babu wrote:

Can anyone please explain me why nit 2.. K*f7?

got it. Thank you Ishan16494

• #234

It could have been done in less moves

• #235
Tomulous wrote:

nevermind...there are three possible outcomes that lead to checkmate in 5 moves.

You can only move once per turn so there is only one choice- the move that you make.

• #236
sicheng wrote:

It could have been done in less moves

Not by force it couldn't.  Only if black cooperates.

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