2/18/2012 - Adams - Torre, New Orleans 1925

caniecane

not easy for me never the less logical

Zalmeth
smokeys wrote:

Does everyone need to say the same damn thing over and over? First and nice are just lame. Any respectable board would consider that spam and deal with posts and posters who make those posts as they should be dealt with.

The spam ruins any chance of good discussion occuring about a daily problem.


Here here

rj011788

one the best puzzles i've ever seen...

TALminator

Interesting ideas about this puzzle:

Even though white continues to offer up the queen, she's not disposable.  For example, if 1...Qd8 or Qc7, 2. Qxc8 wins for white because black needs an equal number of defenders to counter white's rook pair (when it's white's turn).

However, if after 2....Qb5 white plays 3. Qxc8, white loses because of 3...Rxc8 because black still has 2 pieces defending e8 after the exchange.

jaminfine

Ok, it is obvious why black cannot take white's queen, but could someone explain to me why black could not have pushed a pawn to allow his king an escape? Or possibly move the king a space closer to the rook to defend it? What are the problems with those moves?

golechhasandeep

very very very very very very very very Good

KafkasDisciple

Very difficult for me - but many of the comments helped me see the point! Many thanbks to many of you for posting.

alhern

Very difficult & interesting, but we can see soon the point.

NGC_1947
jaminfine wrote:

Ok, it is obvious why black cannot take white's queen, but could someone explain to me why black could not have pushed a pawn to allow his king an escape? Or possibly move the king a space closer to the rook to defend it? What are the problems with those moves?


 I was wondering the same thing......

ampyun86
jaminfine wrote:

Ok, it is obvious why black cannot take white's queen, but could someone explain to me why black could not have pushed a pawn to allow his king an escape? Or possibly move the king a space closer to the rook to defend it? What are the problems with those moves?


Because the Black queen has no defender. If black moves a pawn then white just takes black's queen.

chessloveplayer

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rhynox136

it didn't come to me that black queen to g4 isn't a good option. a very nice puzzle. haha! really hard. :))

DanielRaj

Looking ordinary position ,but nice solution for this game

chamoda

only frist move :/

PapadeNaty

Fail....sorry...

oneomega

i think white did it the long way.why didn't he kill the rook at c8 at the second step.

Abdullahalfarooq

brain storming for beginners

RenataCFC
melvinbluestone wrote:
RenataCFC wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:
RenataCFC wrote:

NM I'm not sure again.


 No, I think you're right. After 2.a4 Qxe2 3.Rxe2 Rc1+! (not 3...Rxe2?) 4.R or Ne1 and black mates on e1 next move. Nice. I guess Adams knew something about this game....


Ok, and that threat doesn't work on 4. a4 because the white queen is now blocking the c-rook's path to c1.  All right.  Now what happens if black takes e2 at that point anyway?


 4.a4 Rxe2 5.Qxc8+ (ah, the check!) Re8 6.RxR (that other rook is still on e1!) QxR 7.QxQ# ..............OR 4.a4 Qxe2 5.RxQ RxR (5...RxQ 6.RxR#) 6.QxR#. I need a drink... 


What's confusing me is that it looks like at this point, black could have "escaped" with a queen for rook trade by taking the rook at e2 with his queen.  After white takes the queen, black is not forced to walk into checkmate by capturing queen or rook; he has other options.  Or what am I missing?  Because at the end of the given sequence in the puzzle, black loses his queen outright after moving to a4, right?

Does white have a forced mate or clear rook capture after 4. ... qxe2 5. Rxe2, or did black play less than ideal moves?

pavandlegend

Damn!.. quite difficult!.. needed to block black queen.. din get that at first look! :'(

pavandlegend
ampyun86 wrote:
jaminfine wrote:

Ok, it is obvious why black cannot take white's queen, but could someone explain to me why black could not have pushed a pawn to allow his king an escape? Or possibly move the king a space closer to the rook to defend it? What are the problems with those moves?


Because the Black queen has no defender. If black moves a pawn then white just takes black's queen.


Exactly!.. and thats the point.. perfect play great puzzle!.. :)