2/28/2012 - Mate in 5

chessica

wow i got it right the first move:)

soothsayer8

A very practical puzzle. Found it pretty quickly, but it's a good idea to drill these sort of puzzles. This sort of tactical theme comes up more often than you'd think in games.

Churrasqueira

Appleheart64

Saw right through that

Jacob30

what yellow bar and links?

waynedickinson2

forever 21 peace to all

chessmaster299o
Nice puzzle! :)
DESTROYER8

second

bartenderbill

better than yesterdy, still pretty ez thanx for the puzzle

milray101

nice

Scottstallion

I like it.... alotCool

gresties42

Very nice puzzle

weijing98

ez

dufferps
timab wrote:

There's like a million ways to win this one. White has a 9 point lead, and a significant position advantage. This one's almost as lame as yesterday's.


Yes, white should win anyway.  But the "solution" sequence forces every black move (on pain of an even quicker checmate by white), where other sequences (such as starting with a knight move) allow black a lot of variations to drag the game out much longer.

dufferps
onefineham wrote:

I didn't catch the need for Qg6 but otherwise I at least understood the end result.


2.Qgf6 forces black king to h8 where he can be mated by he bishop.

dufferps
Hennepin wrote:
ndskykng wrote:
RenataCFC wrote:

Ah, got it .. because if 2. Nxg5, then ... Rf7 ruins the mate, whereas if 3. Nxg5, then the queen is already on g6, and ... Rf7 can just be captured for mate.  Oh well, these things happen before coffee. :)


I was typing my response but I saw you posted the answer to your question =)


I guess I am missing something. Wouldn't  2. Nxg5, Rf7  lead to 3. Qg6+ Kf8 ( 3... Kh8 4. Nxf7# ) 4. Qxf7#.

I am still not seeing why the knight and queen move could not be interchanged. Sure it is not forcing via check but still leads to mate in 5.

 edit: removed yellow bar and links


But what if 2.Nxg5 Rf7, 3. Qg6 Rg7 ....?

ndskykng
dufferps wrote:
Hennepin wrote:
ndskykng wrote:
RenataCFC wrote:

Ah, got it .. because if 2. Nxg5, then ... Rf7 ruins the mate, whereas if 3. Nxg5, then the queen is already on g6, and ... Rf7 can just be captured for mate.  Oh well, these things happen before coffee. :)


I was typing my response but I saw you posted the answer to your question =)


I guess I am missing something. Wouldn't  2. Nxg5, Rf7  lead to 3. Qg6+ Kf8 ( 3... Kh8 4. Nxf7# ) 4. Qxf7#.

I am still not seeing why the knight and queen move could not be interchanged. Sure it is not forcing via check but still leads to mate in 5.

 edit: removed yellow bar and links


But what if 2.Nxg5 Rf7, 3. Qg6 Rg7 ....?


No more Mate in 5 then.  Point of puzzles is to find the best move.  Was that a real question?

NGC_1947
RenataCFC wrote:

The point of puzzles is (usually) not to win the game; it's to achieve a given goal.  In this case, that goal is mate in 5 from the given position.  Either you can do it or you can't.  If you can, congratulations, you've demonstrated mastery of what the puzzle is aiming to test.  If you can't,  you don't -- you're missing something.  Determining what you're missing and working to improve on those things, that's what puzzles are for.


Very well said...

ndskykng
 But what if 2.Nxg5 Rf7, 3. Qg6 Rg7 ....?

Besides, you just said it yourself a few posts ago, solution sequence is more forcing.  That variation allows Black to drag the fight on longer so I don't understand the question.

Twobit

ok