3/10/2012 - White to Draw

  • #201
    melvinbluestone wrote:
    ndskykng wrote:
    melvinbluestone wrote:

    Caramba! You may be right, ndskykng. After 1.Bh3 Bxe2 2.Rf2 Bxd1 3.Qxf7 Bf3+ 4.Rxf3 exf3 5.Qxf3, black seems to have a lot of nothing. This is what happens when you try to do analysis and listen to the Grateful Dead at the same time......


    Lol, Grateful Dead is awesome.

    I'm glad you posted 1.. Bxe2 though, it means you're actually thinking about the position rather than most of these guys on the thread that are just saying "This is not a draw!" without any evidence.

    Just food for thought, as an alternative to 5. Qxf3, think about 5. Rg1 too and the threats of 6. Qxg6 and 7. Qxg7 =) Lots of possibilities.


    Don't celebrate just yet...... After 1.Bh3 f5!? it's not clear how white breaks through blacks advancing front and deals with his hanging bishop...... But the endgame, if it gets to one, is an easy win for white.


    Well said melvinbluestone...ndskykng what happens after 1. Bh3 f5?

  • #202

    that was not an easy one for me

  • #203
    D_Finikin wrote:

    How is this a draw?


    I have no idea either! Smile

    Maybe it's just close to a checkmate  

  • #204
    PattxII wrote:
    melvinbluestone wrote:
    ndskykng wrote:
    melvinbluestone wrote:

    Caramba! You may be right, ndskykng. After 1.Bh3 Bxe2 2.Rf2 Bxd1 3.Qxf7 Bf3+ 4.Rxf3 exf3 5.Qxf3, black seems to have a lot of nothing. This is what happens when you try to do analysis and listen to the Grateful Dead at the same time......


    Lol, Grateful Dead is awesome.

    I'm glad you posted 1.. Bxe2 though, it means you're actually thinking about the position rather than most of these guys on the thread that are just saying "This is not a draw!" without any evidence.

    Just food for thought, as an alternative to 5. Qxf3, think about 5. Rg1 too and the threats of 6. Qxg6 and 7. Qxg7 =) Lots of possibilities.


    Don't celebrate just yet...... After 1.Bh3 f5!? it's not clear how white breaks through blacks advancing front and deals with his hanging bishop...... But the endgame, if it gets to one, is an easy win for white.


    Well said melvinbluestone...ndskykng what happens after 1. Bh3 f5?


    Bring another defender 2. Ne3

    If Queen takes, you can set up your rook battery on the soon-to-be open f file, or g-file depending on what Black does, if bishop takes, take the g-file instead. If bishop takes pawn instead, put a decision to it Rc2.  Even if it takes on f1, the bishop can then take the advanced pawn Bxf5, threatening Qxg6 or Bxe4.  

  • #205

    Hardly a draw - white can win

  • #206

    really hard one

  • #207

    its incomplete

  • #208

    what the

  • #209

    Really.??......no really?....

  • #210

    @ndskykng : Wait a minute. I don't know about this 2.Ne3 idea....... After 1.Bh3 f5 2.Ne3 Qxh3, what does white do about the dual threat of QxN and mate on h2? If 3.Rf2, then simply Qxe3. If 3.Nxg4 fxg4 4.Rf2 g3 could be curtains for white....... Oh no! What's this?? 5.Rg2! with threats up the wahzoo!! A fantastic position!

  • #211
    melvinbluestone wrote:

    @ndskykng : Wait a minute. I don't know about this 2.Ne3 idea....... After 1.Bh3 f5 2.Ne3 Qxh3, what does white do about the dual threat of QxN and mate on h2? If 3.Rf2, then simply Qxe3. If 3.Nxg4 fxg4 4.Rf2 g3 could be curtains for white....... Oh no! What's this?? 5.Rg2! with threats up the wahzoo!! A fantastic position!


    Agree with that line completely.  Fantastic position for white after 5. Rg2!: was that your point?  Kingside is holding firm and black still hasn't broken through on h2.  Meanwhile, white still has multiple threats, the e4 pawn is vulnerable, where the knight is pinned and b7 is targeted, he can set up a battery on g-file if needed (which turns to a triple battery) if black is threatens to open up the g-file with the pawn capture, white is free to battery on the d-file if black turns it towards those lines, and the queenside pawns can still be pushed.  g2 and h2 are still holding firm.  Thanks for proving my point for me.

  • #212

    it goes bh3 rf2 rc3 rxh3 kg1 rg2 nxe2 nf1

  • #213

    @ndskykng: "Fantastic position for white after 5. Rg2!: was that your point?" Yes, that's my point. I guess the term "wahzoo" is rather vague.....

  • #214

    Very mysterious and difficult. I think a club player would lose this one in a hurry as white. Where on earth did this come from? Could this be from some world championship match or maybe a Sam Lloyd puzzle? The computer came up with a different line than chess.com and the computer finds errors in some of the analysis given here.  There are many different variations in this one and it would be easy for white to lose.

  • #215

    Surprised

  • #216
    melvinbluestone wrote:

    @ndskykng: "Fantastic position for white after 5. Rg2!: was that your point?" Yes, that's my point. I guess the term "wahzoo" is rather vague.....


    Ah ok, no worries.  Yeah, sarcasm on the internet was something I was never able to pick up well =)

  • #217
    chessica wrote:

    its incomplete


     whats incomplete?

  • #218
    aaaliii wrote:
    chessica wrote:

    its incomplete


     whats incomplete?

    Probably meant that the puuzzle needed to continue more to finish the puzzle

  • #219

    Too difficult!

  • #220

    very different...

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