4/19/2012 - Sucker Punch

ChessisGood
undisputed456

xD

oosik

I wish my opponents were as easy.

Eris_Discordia

Too easy.

RookPFeynman

Wow! I wonder what game you would find this in. I just don't see this happening for real.

yangliujie

nice

onefineham

That is just plain brutal!

mmgestes

thanks.

eddysallin

nice motiff

resa1234

4. Rxe8#

Jenubis

I love it when a low low low rated player always comments on these things and says "Easy, that was too simple!" By low, I mean below 1000. This is isn't hard, granted, but it definitely was not easy by any measure. You have to come to terms with the idea of letting your queen go, which most players even at 1700 have a hard time trusting their own tactics when it comes to that.

 

I wouldn't do that move in this game because of ...Qxd4+. This gives black the initiative and the choice to take the knight or not. Don't take the queen yet though, as mate will still happen. Black is in a fine position if he takes on d4.

SVSR

nice one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Darshan_Haragi_L

Easy

Beginnerkhan

nice

upmohc1

easy

ndskykng
ChessisGood wrote:

is just as good, honestly.

Fair enough smart guy.  Show me your mate-in-4 after the Knight is gone.  White has a winning position, but by no means was 1. Qxc6 just as good as 1. Qe6+, where's your mate-in-4 huh?

ChessisGood
ndskykng wrote:
ChessisGood wrote:

is just as good, honestly.

Fair enough smart guy.  Show me your mate-in-4 after the Knight is gone.  White has a winning position, but by no means was 1. Qxc6 just as good as 1. Qe6+, where's your mate-in-4 huh?

It is an easy win at that point. Please do not abuse me in the forums.

slowhare
ndskykng wrote:
slowhare wrote:

Title gave it totally away.

Qxc6 works too, only move for black is Qxd4+ followed by being wiped out.

So you're telling me that Qxc6 works too for mate-in-4.  Really?

Please, so tell me what's your followup to get mate that quickly after the black queen takes the knight?  Just get the rook off that bank rank and be done with it.  How does this move work as well?

Said "works too", never said mate in 4, and black will be wiped out. Puzzle solution is correct, which I solved quickly. Hope you don't have the same cocky manner at the bedside doc. 

ndskykng
ChessisGood wrote:

It is an easy win at that point. Please do not abuse me in the forums.

That was your point?! Wow, of course it's an easy win, but it's no forced mate.  Black has forced White to prove he's got skills in a Q/R vs R/R game, but he's not dead after four moves. And I'm sorry, but asking you to clarify your point isn't abusing you.

slowhare wrote:
Said "works too", never said mate in 4, and black will be wiped out. Puzzle solution is correct, which I solved quickly. Hope you don't have the same cocky manner at the bedside doc. 

Fair enough, but the point of a puzzle is to find the "best" solution, not merely to find a winning position.  If that was the case, with that kind of ambiguity, people can easily find plenty of moves that also "work."  Checkmate in four is not better than checkmate in two, just as much as finding a good position (that isn't mate) isn't a move that "works too" as well as a mate-in-four.  End of story.

Jenubis wrote:

I wouldn't do that move in this game because of ...Qxd4+. This gives black the initiative and the choice to take the knight or not. Don't take the queen yet though, as mate will still happen. Black is in a fine position if he takes on d4.

Amen.

JohnTortugo

solved this using what I learn in "mate nets" video tutorials.