6/20/2014 - The Long Draw

• #241

thanks for the puzzle..

• #242

Hey, why isn't the black queen capturing the white queen??

• #243

Ok, I get it

• #244

at last!

• #245
LaBenezra wrote:

really, why doesnt the black queen just take the white's on move 5 when black checks white? Isn't a stalemate a draw?

LaBenezra your rate in chessMentor is good above 1500 , just remember the stalement condition ,white will continue for ever to check Black and will never take the black queen and will come once in time to face black only with this condition white is looking for adraw only he is loosing  ,THIS idea of this buzzle is really great.

• #246
MeTristan wrote:

so what if black doesn't queen the pawn but converts it into a rook instead? (sorry if this has been asked before)

• #247
catenaccio11 wrote:
MeTristan wrote:

so what if black doesn't queen the pawn but converts it into a rook instead? (sorry if this has been asked before)

That's actually a very good question, as I never considered 2...f1=R, and I don't recall anyone other than you mentioning it.  It does give black a very slight material advantage, white has zero winning chances as there is no way to checkmate with just a queen and no way to win a rook as the rooks are connected, and there will be no stalemate, but white can just keep checking forever, and the result will still be a draw.

• #248

missed this puzzle due to travelling, guess this could be my first last post.

• #249

Sorry melogibbo. ;)

So do I, not due to travelling tho unfortunately, but due to learning for the last exam in Monday. :)

• #250
melogibbo wrote:

missed this puzzle due to travelling, guess this could be my first last post.

safety trip

• #251
Dae_Myung wrote:

Hey, why isn't the black queen capturing the white queen??

• #252

w

• #253
BryanCFB wrote:
catenaccio11 wrote:
MeTristan wrote:

so what if black doesn't queen the pawn but converts it into a rook instead? (sorry if this has been asked before)

That's actually a very good question, as I never considered 2...f1=R, and I don't recall anyone other than you mentioning it.  It does give black a very slight material advantage, white has zero winning chances as there is no way to checkmate with just a queen and no way to win a rook as the rooks are connected, and there will be no stalemate, but white can just keep checking forever, and the result will still be a draw.

Baryan CFB     i really like your post tracking comments of aothers and answering them that is very nice . But who could expect this action ,the issue is the surprise of the moves itself its true if been promoted as rook the game may have had other direction and black can won if sucrifice on of the rook because it can come to a point that the black king will be protected by one of the Rook blocking the black king from the white queen and at the same time the stalemate condition will not work more due to the fact that the white king has an area where can move it just depends on when the black king can find the way to check the white king continously untill they are in one line to take the queen but if am right or wrong the idea of the stalemate will not be valid any more so please track it and let me know your idea a bout my analysis.

• #254
Nielzzoz wrote:
BryanCFB wrote:
catenaccio11 wrote:
MeTristan wrote:

so what if black doesn't queen the pawn but converts it into a rook instead? (sorry if this has been asked before)

That's actually a very good question, as I never considered 2...f1=R, and I don't recall anyone other than you mentioning it.  It does give black a very slight material advantage, white has zero winning chances as there is no way to checkmate with just a queen and no way to win a rook as the rooks are connected, and there will be no stalemate, but white can just keep checking forever, and the result will still be a draw.

Baryan CFB     i really like your post tracking comments of aothers and answering them that is very nice . But who could expect this action ,the issue is the surprise of the moves itself its true if been promoted as rook the game may have had other direction and black can won if sucrifice on of the rook because it can come to a point that the black king will be protected by one of the Rook blocking the black king from the white queen and at the same time the stalemate condition will not work more due to the fact that the white king has an area where can move it just depends on when the black king can find the way to check the white king continously untill they are in one line to take the queen but if am right or wrong the idea of the stalemate will not be valid any more so please track it and let me know your idea a bout my analysis.

Where can black's king ever go that the only available check or checks by white's queen can be blocked by one of the two rooks?  White just keeps checking on squares where a rook cannot block.  So 2...f1=R is a draw.

• #255
BryanCFB wrote:
Nielzzoz wrote:
BryanCFB wrote:
catenaccio11 wrote:
MeTristan wrote:

so what if black doesn't queen the pawn but converts it into a rook instead? (sorry if this has been asked before)

That's actually a very good question, as I never considered 2...f1=R, and I don't recall anyone other than you mentioning it.  It does give black a very slight material advantage, white has zero winning chances as there is no way to checkmate with just a queen and no way to win a rook as the rooks are connected, and there will be no stalemate, but white can just keep checking forever, and the result will still be a draw.

Baryan CFB     i really like your post tracking comments of aothers and answering them that is very nice . But who could expect this action ,the issue is the surprise of the moves itself its true if been promoted as rook the game may have had other direction and black can won if sucrifice on of the rook because it can come to a point that the black king will be protected by one of the Rook blocking the black king from the white queen and at the same time the stalemate condition will not work more due to the fact that the white king has an area where can move it just depends on when the black king can find the way to check the white king continously untill they are in one line to take the queen but if am right or wrong the idea of the stalemate will not be valid any more so please track it and let me know your idea a bout my analysis.

Where can black's king ever go that the only available check or checks by white's queen can be blocked by one of the two rooks?  White just keeps checking on squares where a rook cannot block.  So 2...f1=R is a draw.

ya, its true a gree with you thanks for your attention.

• #256

oh my God!... just only for GM... my mind is too weak for that marathon!

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