7/4/2014 - Bronstein-Mikenas 1965

  • #201
    Clemdon wrote:

    OR beautiful SACRIFICE

    1.Q-e8+   Rxe8

    2.Rxe8    Q-f8 (forced)


    Forced isn't next to 1...Rxe8 for a reason.

  • #202
    Andique wrote:

    Nice analysis Andique all valid points.

  • #203

    Bronstein is one of the great grandmasters. He would not miss Clemdon's sarcifice. Seeing what he saw is what makes the difference between higher and lower ratings.

  • #204
    JakeTheHunter wrote:

    This move set is much better.

    No Jake.  After Qe8 then Black goes Qf8 and there is no mate.

  • #205

    very easy..

  • #206

    hmm :)

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  • #208

    Much too complicated. 1. Qe8+  Rxe8; 2. Rxe8+ Qf8; 3. Rxf8#

    Nice and easy

  • #209
    Juncedan wrote:

    Much too complicated. 1. Qe8+  Rxe8; 2. Rxe8+ Qf8; 3. Rxf8#

    Nice and easy

    But how does white proceed after 1...Qf8?

  • #210

    1st move was hard

  • #211

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  • #212

    Last page/comment? :)

  • #213

    what about 1.Qe8+ Rxe8 2.Rxe8+ Qf8 3.Rxf8#  that seems right?

  • #214

    Awww...maybe it would be last page NOW! ;)

  • #215
    jhorlock wrote:

    I didn't get the first move.  

    Just wondering experts: Is black forced to take the rook?  I can't see a much better option, but could he for example move g6?

    We have a question here is black forced to play a6 take the white rook ,what a bout playing g6 or even g5 ,will it safe the king ?? some one to answer please and pay attention ::::yes black will loose a rook but will safe his king .

  • #216
    ShaPe1991 wrote:

    what about 1.Qe8+ Rxe8 2.Rxe8+ Qf8 3.Rxf8#  that seems right?

    1...Qf8 first, and black defends.  Just because material is offered doesn't mean it has to be accepted.

  • #217
    anman88 wrote:

    ? but there is a easier more forcing way i dont get it. back Qe8 check exploits blacks back rank problems and wins straight away 

    Check the post above yours.

  • #218

    "Because, as others have mentioned, black would instead respond to Qe8+ with Qf8 and the checkmate has been foiled. There's no good reason for black to respond with Rxe8, especially if black sees the checkmate coming, which they would."


    but even with that its whites turn queen and rooks are gone for the black because is forcing a check that or sacerficing a major piece. yes its a good defense but white still be dominating the game regardless.

  • #219


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