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xman720

Nobody has any problem AFTER that position is reached goodknight0badbishop, the problem is getting to the position where the black king is in the corner.

GoodKnight0BadBishop

That is the point. One must have the skill to do so.

GoodKnight0BadBishop

xman720 wrote:

Nobody has any problem AFTER that position is reached goodknight0badbishop, the problem is getting to the position where the black king is in the corner.

That is the point. One must have the skill to do so.

xman720

 

GoodKnight0BadBishop

You can transpose to Delatang's Triangles. You can checkmate faster.

xman720

1: Can you show how that works in the relevant position instead of an easy position.

2: I'm pretty sure if black hadn't run straight towards h1 it would've taken a lot longer to mate him.

playerafar

@GoodKnightOBadBishop
Hi and thank you for trying out Deletang's Triangles.
I'm glad that I was able to convey to somebody the existence of that method.
Deletang's Triangle's are so good - that I'm thinking maybe -
that players don't even have to consider the edge of the board idea AT ALL.
Regardless of where the lone King is -
you just keep him in the ever- shrinking Triangular zone.
Where I stand now on it though - (almost literally) - 
is that rather than starting the Triangles right away (mechanically) -
I'd rather bring my King to one of the four central squares of the board -
which is Relatively Easy - and then start the Triangles after that.

Its beginning to appear that once that has been done -
the attacking player will only have to shrink the Triangle a maximum of twice.
If that.  More like once. 
In other words a maximum of three Deletang's Triangles.
And it might only be two.  
DT's are Neat - once they're caught onto. happy.png 

MARattigan
GoodKnight0BadBishop wrote:

You can transpose to Delatang's Triangles. You can checkmate faster.

 

Or even faster:

 



GoodKnight0BadBishop

xman720 wrote:

1: Can you show how that works in the relevant position instead of an easy position.

2: I'm pretty sure if black hadn't run straight towards h1 it would've taken a lot longer to mate him.

You give me a position and I can checkmate from there.

MARattigan
GoodKnight0BadBishop wrote:
xman720 wrote:

1: Can you show how that works in the relevant position instead of an easy position.

2: I'm pretty sure if black hadn't run straight towards h1 it would've taken a lot longer to mate him.

You give me a position and I can checkmate from there.

After after Black's obvious 6...Ke5 in your example, can you still do it in 19?

 

I'll offer to play Black against you in this one if you like.

Black to move.

 

MARattigan
GoodKnight0BadBishop wrote:

You can transpose to Delatang's Triangles. You can checkmate faster.

Black's 4...Kg4  is a nice example of what I called correct play in post #116. It's inaccurate because it closes the position (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_and_knight_checkmate#Overview), but White's only move to keep the position closed is 5.Ke5 which white could easily fail to see (as indeed he did). 

GoodKnight0BadBishop

MARattigan wrote:

GoodKnight0BadBishop wrote:
xman720 wrote:

1: Can you show how that works in the relevant position instead of an easy position.

2: I'm pretty sure if black hadn't run straight towards h1 it would've taken a lot longer to mate him.

You give me a position and I can checkmate from there.

After after Black's obvious 6...Ke5 in your example, can you still do it in 19?

 

I'll offer to play Black against you in this one if you like.

Black to move.

 

Whoa! If it is black to move in that position, then he'll play Kf3 followed by the unstoppable Kg2 trapping the knight! Those positions are exceptional positions where a piece is lost. Give another position.

MARattigan

Quote: You give me a position and I can checkmate from there.

I assume you want a position that's already won?

GoodKnight0BadBishop

Yeah. But not easily won.

GoodKnight0BadBishop

And I've also been wondering what that plus sign beside your username is.

MARattigan
GoodKnight0BadBishop wrote:

Yeah. But not easily won.

This ending is, like anything else, easy when you know how (from any won position). I didn't put the plus sign there - I think it's something to do with Switzerland. (What's that thing next to your username by the way.)

GoodKnight0BadBishop

Oh.

GoodKnight0BadBishop

The American Flag is what is next to my username.

MARattigan

It is more difficult to do it in the shortest number of moves against accurate defence, but even that would be easy if you knew how.

MARattigan
GoodKnight0BadBishop wrote:

The American Flag is what is next to my username.

Oh.