Can some give me some crash courses on how to mate K+N+B vs K?

ichiro_bloodmoon

fenrissaga wrote:

 Hi ichiro_bloodmoon  i put your PGN on a board for more understanding happy.png

 

 

Sorry that I'm not able to copy and paste pgns properly but glad you were able to and hopefully it helped!!

MARattigan
ichiro_bloodmoon wrote:
fenrissaga wrote:

 Hi ichiro_bloodmoon  i put your PGN on a board for more understanding

 

 

Sorry that I'm not able to copy and paste pgns properly but glad you were able to and hopefully it helped!!

This is probably because chess.com is picky about pgn syntax. If you're using Windows try loading Tarrasch from here https://www.triplehappy.com/ . Then load your pgn into Tarrasch and save it The saved pgn will probably then load on chess.com.  

Saleron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3EqM17jvOc

That's not the most optimal algorithm, but it works and is not difficult to master.

MARattigan
Saleron wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3EqM17jvOc

That's not the most optimal algorithm, but it works and is not difficult to master.

There's an awful lot of crap published about this endgame  in books and on the internet. I think this video is one of the worst.

 

It's noticeable that though ichiro_bloodmoon recommends the video he totally ignores anything it says in his example game. As a result he plays his game very much more competently than the author of the video.

 

Both players play against opponents of similar strength (possibly level 10 at chess.com), but  ichiro_bloodmoon starts with a mate in 29 position and mates in 29, while Jerry (of the video) starts with a mate in 28 position and mates in 41 (making it a lot closer to a draw under the 50 move rule than an example of accurate play).

 

I would advise OP to definitely skip this one.

ichiro_bloodmoon

MARattigan wrote:

Saleron wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3EqM17jvOc

That's not the most optimal algorithm, but it works and is not difficult to master.

There's an awful lot of crap published about this endgame  in books and on the internet. I think this video is one of the worst.

 

It's noticeable that though ichiro_bloodmoon recommends the video he totally ignores anything it says in his example game. As a result he plays his game very much more competently than the author of the video.

 

Both players play against opponents of similar strength (possibly level 10 at chess.com), but  ichiro_bloodmoon starts with a mate in 29 position and mates in 29, while Jerry (of the video) starts with a mate in 28 position and mates in 41 (making it a lot closer to a draw under the 50 move rule than an example of accurate play).

 

I would advise OP to definitely skip this one.

The reason why his takes longer is because he goes about centralizing his pieces. I found a faster way of doing it so therefore I do it my way.

ichiro_bloodmoon

MARattigan wrote:

Saleron wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3EqM17jvOc

That's not the most optimal algorithm, but it works and is not difficult to master.

There's an awful lot of crap published about this endgame  in books and on the internet. I think this video is one of the worst.

 

It's noticeable that though ichiro_bloodmoon recommends the video he totally ignores anything it says in his example game. As a result he plays his game very much more competently than the author of the video.

 

Both players play against opponents of similar strength (possibly level 10 at chess.com), but  ichiro_bloodmoon starts with a mate in 29 position and mates in 29, while Jerry (of the video) starts with a mate in 28 position and mates in 41 (making it a lot closer to a draw under the 50 move rule than an example of accurate play).

 

I would advise OP to definitely skip this one.

By the way, thank you for the compliment!!

bobthepig3636

iusegambits

I would just take out a physical board and a B, N, and the two K's and play around with it sometimes, it really does help coordinating bishops w/ knights in your games.

Chessflyfisher
imsighked2 wrote:

I wonder how often that comes up in games. I know I've played hundreds and hundreds of games, and I haven't seen a single knight and bishop or two bishop checkmate scenario. There are all kinds of videos on You Tube that can show you how to do it, if you're interested. I think it would be better to spend time studying rook endings, bishop of opposite colors endings, opposition and distant opposition, rather than focus on an obscure ending that you may never see.

Excellent advice!

MARattigan
iusegambits wrote:

I would just take out a physical board and a B, N, and the two K's and play around with it sometimes, it really does help coordinating bishops w/ knights in your games.

But probably better is start with just a bishop and two kings and see what's possible with that. Then add in the knight. This can be moved whenever you get a free tempo in the bishop and kings play but it also has potential drawbacks.  

MARattigan

I've just watched the video posted by JohnHS in #6 and I realise I've been far too harsh on the video posted by ichiro_bloodmoon in my earlier comments.

To summarise the video in #6:

  

  1. He shows you a mate in 3 position with the king cornered and shows you how to mate in 3.
  2.  He shows you a mate in 5 position with the king cornered and shows you how to mate in 6.
  3.  He shows you a mate in 6 position with the king cornered and shows you how to mate in 7.
  4. He shows you a mate in 18 position with the king cornered and shows you how to mate in 19, but only if your opponent plays inaccurately and cedes 4 moves en route.
  5. He tells you he's shown you how to mate with knight and bishop (presumably from all 25 million positions). 

I would recommend this video to OP because working out where the mistakes are would be a useful exercise. But the video is pretty much par for the course. He would be much better equipped if he works out his own method.

ichiro_bloodmoon

imsighked2 wrote:

I wonder how often that comes up in games. I know I've played hundreds and hundreds of games, and I haven't seen a single knight and bishop or two bishop checkmate scenario. There are all kinds of videos on You Tube that can show you how to do it, if you're interested. I think it would be better to spend time studying rook endings, bishop of opposite colors endings, opposition and distant opposition, rather than focus on an obscure ending that you may never see.

This endgame came up in a women's championship match and the side with the Bishop and Knight couldn't perform the mating pattern!! A draw was the result because of it when she could have won the game!! Do yeah it is important to know this mating pattern technique! I agree that studying Rook endgames and Bishops of opposite color endgames are important but disagree with you about Bishop and Knight mating practice.

Statute

Not worth it just draw

prusswan

This is covered in most basic endgame books but easier when you practise against an engine.