Hairy pawn ending

IAMBBW
BobbyPhisher960 wrote:
IAMBBW wrote:

You need to become a puzzle to post a puzzle

BAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA YOU'RE FUNNYYYYY

 

 

 

 

Get lost, little kid.

Yeah kid I got lost in a place 

BobbyPhisher960

LOLOLOLOLOLOL SO HILLLARRRIOOUSSS

Piperose
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

This one got a bit dicey (especially with only a couple minutes left).  You just have to ignore White's passed pawn (after 5 h4) and go with your own.  7 Kg3 loses to 7... Ke3.  And yes, he could've tried 10 Kf1...but that only prolongs it a few more moves after 10... Qe2+ 11 Kg1 f2+.

Would this be classified as zugzwang? In order to push h-pawn to Queen?

Likes this study! 

Thank you.

ghost_of_pushwood

I think it's better classified as a last gasp. happy.png

Klauer

You don't need any calculation for the first move. Restricting white from any tempo moves with the king is a must in case you want to win. Drawing is no prob in this position.

So
1... g5 is nearly forced. White must prevent Ke4, so
2.Kf3 is forced and
2... Ke5 is again forced as the lever h4 is now in the game. Now there's a short calculation necessary: 3.h4 gxh4 4.g5 h3 After this two-move line we know - white cannot stop the black pawns, black gets the g-pawn.
3.Ke2 Ke4 (3.Kf2 Ke4) is in both cases again a no-brainer.The five move pawn race needs calculation and you see: Black on the move with a white king in danger.

Resumée: A short two move line, the result of the pawn race, the mate in two at three points are what you need to think about. Doing this all in the starting position shows really bad time management.

Pardon me for showing the water in the wine.

 

SmyslovFan
Klauer wrote:

You don't need any calculation for the first move. Restricting white from any tempo moves with the king is a must in case you want to win. Drawing is no prob in this position.

So
1... g5 is nearly forced. White must prevent Ke4, so
2.Kf3 is forced and
2... Ke5 is again forced as the lever h4 is now in the game. Now there's a short calculation necessary: 3.h4 gxh4 4.g5 h3 After this two-move line we know - white cannot stop the black pawns, black gets the g-pawn.
3.Ke2 Ke4 (3.Kf2 Ke4) is in both cases again a no-brainer.The five move pawn race needs calculation and you see: Black on the move with a white king in danger.

Resumée: A short two move line, the result of the pawn race, the mate in two at three points are what you need to think about. Doing this all in the starting position shows really bad time management.

Pardon me for showing the water in the wine.

 

1...g5 shows that you understand Capa's principle, 1 pawn stops two. Yes, it's easy to see if you know the rule. Otherwise, it would take some serious calculation to work out whether that or a King move (to gain the opposition or not gain the opposition) is better. 

So, kudos for having some basic chess education to solve the first move. 

Your definition of "forced" is interesting. The only way to prove that one move is better than another in a pure K+P endgame is by calculation. Sure, there are some short-cuts, but to say that a move is forced, therefore it's obvious is to show a lack of understanding about chess. 

Klauer

You forget the little word "nearly". Only in case black wants to win.

Any king move allows h4-h5 leading directly to a draw. No calculation is needed. Calculation is here only to underline the obvious.

Bug here: Postition White Kd4, Pd3 - Black Kd6

 

Some calculation has been done by our anchestors. We can rely on it.Seeing such a position like in this diagram is knowing the result depending on the move. At least if someone calls himself master.

Surely there are big wholes in my chess understanding. So what? By the way - as it is about a term: What is my definition of "forced"? This question is about the reading skills, letting me asking this, as you got personal and deviated from the chess content..

SmyslovFan

Here's some more "Easy" pawn endings. How are they easy? Well, they simply involve a few forced lines to solve. 

And if you get to the final position there, which is the forced move that wins for White?

 
Or, try this one: 
 
SmyslovFan

And lastly, there's this one:

 

Klauer

Fine endings. I like them. But they have nothing to do with the points of discussion so far.

But its a 2nd rhetorical trick in the sense of Kant "Eristische Dialektik". The first trick was getting personal, the second is throwing in something else.

And if you want to hear that calculation is necessary for pawn endings: Yes, it is. And: For the position in the opening post you need two lines calculation for two moves and a pawn race counting till five. Contento?

ghost_of_pushwood
Klauer wrote:

 

Surely there are big wholes in my chess understanding.

 

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ghost_of_pushwood

Uh-oh, looks like we got us another Ad Hominid in our midst...

IAMBBW

Yeah

Klauer
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Uh-oh, looks like we got us another Ad Hominid in our midst...

"Ad hominem"

And this is Eristische Dialektik trick 3: Uncomplete citation and trick 4 doing it by accusing the other to do so. The web is full of Kantianism. happy.png

Go back to the ending: What do you mean with seeing "the whole idea" in the opening post? Might be interesting and something to learn from.

Klauer

Once again two unanswered questions here. I repeat them, because I see a chance to learn something:

@ghost_of_pushwood
What do you mean with seeing "the whole idea"?

@SmyslovFan
You saw a definition of forced in my post. Maybe you did get a concept of mine I didn't get. This happens. That's why I asked for your view of my concept.

If there's a misunderstanding on my side: No worries, mates! Have a beautiful sunday and something good happening to you.

EdSeedhouse

You don't need to see this to the end to play the correct moves.  At each turn there is really only one move that could possibly win.  Consequently I was able to make all the moves after only a bit of thought.  The only question under game conditions would be whether white needs to bail out to a draw at any particular move.

marcocka

i found this endgame really interesting TKS