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  • #41

    What I meant was being able to theoretically force mate regardless of opponent's moves. 2 knights can NOT force mate vs lone king, even being 2 moves from mate. A knight vs Bishop endgame there is absolutely no way either side can force mate, but mate is still theoretically possible in both positions. Discretion should be used in those cases as well.

  • #42
    EndgameStudy wrote:

    What I meant was being able to theoretically force mate regardless of opponent's moves. 2 knights can NOT force mate vs lone king, even being 2 moves from mate. A knight vs Bishop endgame there is absolutely no way either side can force mate, but mate is still theoretically possible in both positions. Discretion should be used in those cases as well.

    Unfortunately, what you said was not what you meant.

  • #43

    I guess

  • #44
    MARattigan wrote:
    EndgameStudy wrote:

    I think in any position, where mate is theoretically possible, the computer should be able to detect if a player could reasonably FORCE mate in any given position, without the opponent's cooperation

    Computers can't do that yet.

    There are problems posted in the endgame forum which current computer programs will fail to solve. The starting position is also a theoretical win for one side or a theoretical draw but not as yet solvable by computer.  

    That's just not true, the Chess.com engine simply doesn't go deep enough in its analysis to solve it. Computers check every possible permutation eventually.

  • #45
    Areliae wrote:
    MARattigan wrote:
    EndgameStudy wrote:

    I think in any position, where mate is theoretically possible, the computer should be able to detect if a player could reasonably FORCE mate in any given position, without the opponent's cooperation

    Computers can't do that yet.

    There are problems posted in the endgame forum which current computer programs will fail to solve. The starting position is also a theoretical win for one side or a theoretical draw but not as yet solvable by computer.  

    That's just not true, the Chess.com engine simply doesn't go deep enough in its analysis to solve it. Computers check every possible permutation eventually.

    Well try your computer out on this position and post your answer. I think everybody will be interested.

                                              White to move. All castling options available.

  • #46

    4th position is study of millennium

  • #47

    I know. Cool right!

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