Why resign a game?

  • #161
    Chess_Lobster wrote:

    So the gases, water droplets, and dust in the air reflect red light, green light? Unless I'm dangerously mistaken on what blue is, or your using some ultra-pretentious rationale to explain why the sky isn't blue

    My description of why the sky is blue is a little off but nonetheless only a pretentious blowhard would describe it as anthying other than blue


    The sky isn't blue...I'm not making things up, it isn't!  Shine a red light on a white piece of paper, the paper is still white it hasn't changed colour.

    Am I not allowed to be right Lobster, would it pain you that deeply to actually agree with me?  lol

  • #162

    I don't know maybe your living in a real life "Liar Liar" where you really aren't allowed to be right (unfortunatly this is not a one day curse)

    I dont want to get into a metaphysical arguement about what makes something blue or red or white. You are aware how light works, an blue object reflects blue light and abrorbs other wavelenghts (for the most part). We can only identify an object's color by the wavelnghts reflected to us. SInce the sky reflects mainly blue light to us, we call it blue.  Not to mention this is another example of you not reading between the lines (and furthermore the sky is blue was an unimportant off hand comment) Everyone knows for all practial purposes we call the sky blue, by some far fetched overly techincal defintion is the sky not blue? Maybe, but for people living in the real world, the sky is blue.

  • #163

    Far fetched? 

    I like how you have decided what people in the real world think.  Amazing the number of experts in what everyone thinks.  Amazing the number of people on here that so want to be part of the crowd.  I also like how you get upset with me for stating the obvious and then get upset when I bring up a fact (apprantently a little know fact according to you...I always thought it was pretty common knowledge  *shrugs*)

    How about a joke

    If you have a pen of 25 sheep and one jumps out, how many sheep do you have left in the pen?

  • #164

    Your a bit of a looney aren't you?

  • #165

    So do you know the answer to the joke?

  • #166
    Chess_Lobster wrote:

    Your a bit of a looney aren't you?


    The old personal attack defence....yawn!

  • #167

    zero I would guess, but I like how if a lot of people find your opinions stupid it must because they are mindless sheep...not because your opinions are stupid, which to clarify, they are.

  • #168

    I didn't say anyone was a mindless sheep Lobster.  Don't be reading in things that aren't there now!

  • #169
    Suggo wrote:
    Chess_Lobster wrote:

    Your a bit of a looney aren't you?


    The old personal attack defence....yawn!


     It would be "a defense" if I was arguing with you, but I'm not. Here I'm just calling you stupid.

     

    Then who is trying to be part of the in crowd as you suggested. Anyway hopefully someone posts something worthwhile by the time I check this out again

  • #170
    Chess_Lobster wrote:
    Suggo wrote:
    Chess_Lobster wrote:

    Your a bit of a looney aren't you?


    The old personal attack defence....yawn!


     It would be "a defense" if I was arguing with you, but I'm not. Here I'm just calling you stupid.


    lol, oh the pain!  Resorting to name calling lobster, how very sad!  Touch gloves!?  LOL

  • #171

    Haha, stupid is name calling now? I think you're stupid (too dense to use reason) so I said it. You seem to think its becuase your superior logic has worn me down...To fufill your role (the parrot)...how very sad!

  • #172

    Lots of people seem to want to be part of the crowd....they all wanted to jump in with Rainbow...safety in numbers I suppose.  It is how it seems to me.Wink

  • #173
    Suggo wrote:
    marvellosity wrote:

    Yes, it's not a stupid comparison. It's directly related.

    Not resigning is not against the laws of chess. Picking your nose isn't against the law.

    You can choose to pick your nose and wipe it on the tablecloth. You can choose to not resign.

    Everyone will think you're a .... if you pick your nose, everyone will think you're a ... if you don't resign in a QRvsK endgame.

    3 tenets - a) is it allowed? yes b) can you choose to do it? yes c) do others think it's moronic? yes.


    Hmmmm, and we should all live our lives by what others think shouldn't we Marv!


    For many things, yes. With regards to picking your nose and wiping it on the tablecloth, it does indeed make sense not to, even if you feel like doing it. Else you get shunned, which isn't generally a nice thing.

    Much the same as not resigning here. Feel free to do what you like, don't resign all you like, but don't be surprised when people think you're a .... for doing so.

    If I do something that I know others won't like but I feel is right, then I'll be happy to take the criticism in the knowledge that I think I did the right thing. So if you think you're doing the right thing - fine, that's great - but don't be affronted when people criticise.

  • #174
    Chess_Lobster wrote:

    Haha, stupid is name calling now? I think you're stupid (too dense to use reason) so I said it. You seem to think its becuase your superior logic has worn me down...To fufill your role (the parrot)...how very sad!


    No actually if I think anything I think you have talked yourself in a circle and then trying to find a way out decided on the personal attack....I could be wrong!  What I do know is that I haven't resorted to name calling and insults.  Do people in the real world consider these the actions of someone with superior logic and thinking?  I don't really know, but you seem to know all about how everyone else thinks so maybe you can help me out on that one!Smile

  • #175
    marvellosity wrote:
    Suggo wrote:
    marvellosity wrote:

    Yes, it's not a stupid comparison. It's directly related.

    Not resigning is not against the laws of chess. Picking your nose isn't against the law.

    You can choose to pick your nose and wipe it on the tablecloth. You can choose to not resign.

    Everyone will think you're a .... if you pick your nose, everyone will think you're a ... if you don't resign in a QRvsK endgame.

    3 tenets - a) is it allowed? yes b) can you choose to do it? yes c) do others think it's moronic? yes.


    Hmmmm, and we should all live our lives by what others think shouldn't we Marv!


    For many things, yes. With regards to picking your nose and wiping it on the tablecloth, it does indeed make sense not to, even if you feel like doing it. Else you get shunned, which isn't generally a nice thing.

    Much the same as not resigning here. Feel free to do what you like, don't resign all you like, but don't be surprised when people think you're a .... for doing so.

    If I do something that I know others won't like but I feel is right, then I'll be happy to take the criticism in the knowledge that I think I did the right thing. So if you think you're doing the right thing - fine, that's great - but don't be affronted when people criticise.


    So bullying is ok if most people agree!  Hmmm, I think I will stick with my stance against pressuring people.  Cheers

  • #176

    I have often been asked about proper manners/etiquette in chess tournaments by players that are new to tournaments. Some were also new to chess and some were not. One of the things I tell them is that they shouldnt continue a game in a hopeless position without an extremely good reason for doing so.

  • #177

    Ah, but what an extremely good reason to them, may not be an extremely good reason in your eyes.

    Reb, from what I can tell you just want everyone to follow what you deem correct behaviour.  By all means you can want this, and I can't stop you from harrassing and pressuring others in an effort to achieve this.  But I will continue to jump in when I so choose in an effort to support people who are feeling pressured and hopefully help them feel comfortable to make their own decision about when or when not to resign.  Any reason is an extremely good reason IMHO!

  • #178

    Suggo: criticising something that most people feel is abhorrent isn't bullying.

    If you pick your nose at the table and wipe it on the tablecloth, everyone will look at you funny and someone might say something.

    This isn't 'bullying'.

  • #179
    Suggo wrote:

    Ah, but what an extremely good reason to them, may not be an extremely good reason in your eyes.

    Reb, from what I can tell you just want everyone to follow what you deem correct behaviour.  By all means you can want this, and I can't stop you from harrassing and pressuring others in an effort to achieve this.  But I will continue to jump in when I so choose in an effort to support people who are feeling pressured and hopefully help them feel comfortable to make their own decision about when or when not to resign.  Any reason is an extremely good reason IMHO!


     I dont harrass anyone to do whats right in otb chess suggo. Its up to them but if they continue to play in such positions as K v K+Q I just join the majority of my fellow tournament players in shunning them completely.... thats their usual "punishment". That combined with the fact that noone wants to play them afterwards in blitz or "friendly" games...... they become like lepers of the chess community, admitted back into the flock only when they have matured enough to have good manners and etiquette. Others receive such punishment , like those who like to gloat after winning a game or do something like touching a piece, not moving it and then denying they touched it, etc.  Peer pressure is a powerful thing suggo, I suspect you are old enough to know/understand this.  Ofcourse, in cyber space much less can be done about this and peer pressure isnt as effective. Take my game with ichv, for example. I simply wont play him anymore. Its pretty obvious from your stance on this and some of your comments that you are not a serious tournament player yourself......

  • #180
    Suggo wrote:


    So bullying is ok if most people agree!  Hmmm, I think I will stick with my stance against pressuring people. So bullying is ok if most people agree Cheers


    unfortunately bullying is ok   because most people agree with it, that is why in real life and online so much bullying takes place.

     

    If an individual does something bad, it is relatively easy to punish him.

     

    But if a group of people does something terrible to an individual they go for the most part unpunished or even get praised for it. Safety in numbers

     

     

    and to marvellosity:

     

    in your world sense/reason and social pressure are harmonious like in your exampel.

    Now a more difficult example: You have the choice to go your own way and do what you like for example play chess and not be like your others mates and there is a risk that you will be seen as weird and shunned or you take drugs and drinking hard like them and will be socially accepted. What is the right thing to do?

    Or a teenage girl that is pressured to having sex early by their friends just to fit in the group and to be socially accepted?

     

    I think social pressures and reason do not too often form a unity.

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