Queens Gambit Resign! (Spoilers)
Teaching a young player the principles of sportsmanship, is at least as important as learning the moves.
Teaching a young player the principles of sportsmanship, is at least as important as learning the moves.
I would say teaching resourcefulness and perseverance is far more important. In many games more could be learned through defending than giving up, and in many cases games can be drawn/won due to defensive skill. If the best in the world make mistakes (like in game 6 of the last championship where Fabi missed a forced win), your opponent isn't going to play a perfect game either.
I would also say that there is nothing disrespectful about not handing your opponent a win. Many pros are known for there fighting spirit in speculative positions. One of my all time favs, Frank Marshall, is even known for his swindles.
True, but in the tv series I think Beth hung her queen without compensation.
"Fighting spirit" is all fine and good, but banging your head against a brink wall is just painful.
THERE ARE MANY PLAYERS WHO DO NOT KNOW WHEN TO RESIGN. IT REALLY DOES NOT HELP YOUR GAME TO PLAY ON WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR QUEEN FOR LITTLE OR NO COMPENSATION,
TO IMPROVE YOUR CHESS LEARN WHEN TO RESIGN. [SORRY FOR CAPS--MEDICAL PROBLEM]
My opinion changed recently, and I am now in the camp of please resign. If a person lacks skill in the opening, the endgame is losing anyway. Why play hope chess?
THERE ARE MANY PLAYERS WHO DO NOT KNOW WHEN TO RESIGN. IT REALLY DOES NOT HELP YOUR GAME TO PLAY ON WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR QUEEN FOR LITTLE OR NO COMPENSATION,
TO IMPROVE YOUR CHESS LEARN WHEN TO RESIGN. [SORRY FOR CAPS--MEDICAL PROBLEM]
Right on, Ponz!
My opinion changed recently, and I am now in the camp of please resign. If a person lacks skill in the opening, the endgame is losing anyway. Why play hope chess?
The problem with resigning is you end up in situations like your game here where you resigned after losing a rook, really it was possible to win the game in 2 moves from your position with the only proviso being your opponent blundered by taking your rook instead of the knight, and lets be honest here it's entirely possible at our level when you have a strong lead to be over confident and make a mistake.
W: Qc3
B: Nxa1 (if your opponent blundered and took the rook instead of your knight)
W: Qxg7#
My opinion changed recently, and I am now in the camp of please resign. If a person lacks skill in the opening, the endgame is losing anyway. Why play hope chess?
The problem with resigning is you end up in situations like your game here where you resigned after losing a rook, really it was possible to win the game in 2 moves from your position with the only proviso being your opponent blundered by taking your rook instead of the knight, and lets be honest here it's entirely possible at our level when you have a strong lead to be over confident and make a mistake.
W: Qc3
B: Nxa1 (if your opponent blundered and took the rook instead of your knight)
W: Qxg7#
That’s the nice thing about analysis. We find all kinds of things we missed during a game. Do you really think I would have resigned had I seen the move combination you pointed out? It was pretty clear that I missed a potential opportunity, but I didn’t see it. Both Rooks gone by a player who was clearly better than me, there was no use in going on.
That’s the nice thing about analysis. We find all kinds of things we missed during a game. Do you really think I would have resigned had I seen the move combination you pointed out? It was pretty clear that I missed a potential opportunity, but I didn’t see it. Both Rooks gone by a player who was clearly better than me, there was no use in going on.
This was a daily game (1 day each turn), you had plenty of time to do analysis before deciding what to do, you resigned because you lost a rook, it's that simple.
Rating wise I'm at the same level as you and that took me about 2 minutes to find, I'm fully aware that I blunder far too much and that's my big problem and why I'm at my current rating, I'm working on that, but you'll never find me resigning a game while I've still got the queen on the board.
That’s the nice thing about analysis. We find all kinds of things we missed during a game. Do you really think I would have resigned had I seen the move combination you pointed out? It was pretty clear that I missed a potential opportunity, but I didn’t see it. Both Rooks gone by a player who was clearly better than me, there was no use in going on.
This was a daily game (1 day each turn), you had plenty of time to do analysis before deciding what to do, you resigned because you lost a rook, it's that simple.
Rating wise I'm at the same level as you and that took me about 2 minutes to find, I'm fully aware that I blunder far too much and that's my big problem and why I'm at my current rating, I'm working on that, but you'll never find me resigning a game while I've still got the queen on the board.
I did not resign because I lost a Rook. I resigned because I was going to lose my other Rook, and my position was clearly lost to a much better opponent.
I did not resign because I lost a Rook. I resigned because I was going to lose my other Rook, and my position was clearly lost to a much better opponent.
As per my post above your position was clearly not lost, you just didn't bother to look for it.
As for your other question, within the last week in 2 tournament games against the same player I blundered my way down to just the king (actually near the end I sacrificed my other pieces intentionally to just have the king), the 1st game I was able to force a stalemate, in the 2nd game they were much more cautious and checkmated me.
You might argue I was delaying ending the game, but put simply I was learning from the experience, and clearly they were too because they changed end game tactics the 2nd time to ensure they didn't stalemate me again, and we were both active enough players to finish both our matching games before other pairings in the tournament have finished their first.
EDIT> Here's the tournament >> https://www.chess.com/tournament/premium-beginners-slow-tourney
As of right now they are in position 1 and I'm in 2.
I did not resign because I lost a Rook. I resigned because I was going to lose my other Rook, and my position was clearly lost to a much better opponent.
As per my post above your position was clearly not lost, you just didn't bother to look for it.
As for your other question, within the last week in 2 tournament games against the same player I blundered my way down to just the king (actually near the end I sacrificed my other pieces intentionally to just have the king), the 1st game I was able to force a stalemate, in the 2nd game they were much more cautious and checkmated me.
You might argue I was delaying ending the game, but put simply I was learning from the experience, and clearly they were too because they changed end game tactics the 2nd time to ensure they didn't stalemate me again, and we were both active enough players to finish both our matching games before other pairings in the tournament have finished their first.
EDIT> Here's the tournament >> https://www.chess.com/tournament/premium-beginners-slow-tourney
As of right now they are in position 1 and I'm in 2.
The more I look at that mess, the more it reinforces my wise decision to resign. As soon as I moved my Queen, the Knight was free. I was already down two pieces, and playing down three is dumb. I’m playing down two piece in another game now, as the circumstances are a bit different.
I ended that game at +19 pieces wise, still would have been disappointed if my opponent had of resigned. And for reference they beat me in our 2nd game.
I guess we're in 2 different camps the moment you feel the game is lost you resign and move on, I'd (and it seems a lot of people here after reading through other lengthy threads on the topic) would rather play it out to learn and improve, each to their own I guess.
THE VERY STRONG
PLAYERS WHO ADVISED THE QUEEN'S GAMBIT KNOW THAT BEGINNING OR LOW RATED PLAYERS WOULD BECOME BETTER CHESS PLAYERS IF THEY LEARN TO RESIGN.
MUCH BETTER TO RESIGN AND PLAY ANOTHER GAME THAN TO HOPE FOR A STALEMATE OR SOME BLUNDERS. YOU WILL LEARN MORE TO PLAY ANOTHER GAME..
JUST SUPPOSE YOU DECIDE NOT TO RESIGN AND YOUR OPPONENT MAKES LOTS OF BLUJNDERS? WHAT DO YOU HAVE? YOU HAVE THAT YOU BEAT OR DREW WITH AN OPPONENT WHO MAKES LOTS OF BLUNDERS.
YOU LEARN BY PLAYING AGAINST OPPONENTS WHO ARE STRONGER THAN YOU ARE.
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I don't think I'm aware of any IM or GM who encourages resignation like that @ponz111 most seem to say just the opposite. I am curious to know (for anyone on this thread), how would you evaluate this position?
White to move
I don't think I'm aware of any IM or GM who encourages resignation like that @ponz111 most seem to say just the opposite. I am curious to know (for anyone on this thread), how would you evaluate this position?
White to move
I think this is an exception case where two minor pieces draw against a queen, but I could be wrong.
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