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  • #1

    https://www.chess.com/daily/game/162774498

     

    I don't know how to post the game the way others do I can only get the link

  • #2

    I clicked on the download icon from the game page whose URL you posted, opened the downloaded PGN file with Notepad (via Windows), copied and pasted the single line of text into the proper field of the game posting window.

     

  • #3

    Am I missing something, or was there a good reason you didn't fork a rook with 23. Nb7+?

    21. Qd1 lost your g4-pawn, of course, because your queen was no longer protecting that pawn.

    There were some nuances of typical Scandinavian piece trades in the middlegame like Nxd5 that you didn't play, though I don't know if omission of those affected your game badly or not.

    On the good side, I was impressed that you knew proper piece placement so far into the Scandinavian defense: Qe2, O-O-O, g4, etc.

  • #4

    Sqod wrote:

    Am I missing something, or was there a good reason you didn't fork a rook with 23. Nb7+?

    21. Qd1 lost your b4-pawn, of course, because your queen was no longer protecting that pawn.

    There were some nuances of typical Scandinavian piece trades in the middlegame like Nxd5 that you didn't play, though I don't know if omission of those affected your game badly or not.

    On the good side, I was impressed that you knew proper piece placement so far into the Scandinavian defense: Qe2, O-O-O, g4, etc.

    I thought of forking the rook I thought I had a way of forcing his king I to a bad position to creckmate I really lost myself from move 23 and on
  • #5

    Unless you are absolutely certain of achieving checkmate then isn't forking the rook always the way to go? Or am I missing something?

  • #6

    Mal_Smith wrote:

    Unless you are absolutely certain of achieving checkmate then isn't forking the rook always the way to go? Or am I missing something?

    yeah your right stupid play on my part.
  • #7

    Does 23 Qxa7 work? Any move by the d8 rook allows Qd7 mate, and it also threatens Ne4+, winning the Q. So I think black replies e5 or f5. After 23 ...f5 24 Nb7+ Kd7 or e7 or c7 25 Nxd8+ and now if Kxd8 26 Qa8+ wins the other rook too. If 23...e5 24 Ne4+ Ke6 25 Ng5+ Kd6 (if ...Kf6 26 Qxf7 mate) 26 Nxf7+ Ke6 27 Nxh8 or maybe Nxe5

  • #8

    You played quite well in this game. This should have been won, as the 1900 player played rather awfully for his/her rating. 

  • #9
    IpswichMatt wrote:

    Does 23 Qxa7 work? Any move by the d8 rook allows Qd7 mate, and it also threatens Ne4+, winning the Q. So I think black replies e5 or f5. After 23 ...f5 24 Nb7+ Kd7 or e7 or c7 25 Nxd8+ and now if Kxd8 26 Qa8+ wins the other rook too. If 23...e5 24 Ne4+ Ke6 25 Ng5+ Kd6 (if ...Kf6 26 Qxf7 mate) 26 Nxf7+ Ke6 27 Nxh8 or maybe Nxe5

    Oh crap. I just checked with Stockfish, 23 Qxa7 is indeed best, but then Black has 23 ... Nc7 (which I completely missed) when White has nothing better than winning the exchange with 24 Nb7+ etc

  • #10
    #8 22 hrs ago

    You played quite well in this game. This should have been won, as the 1900 player played rather awfully for his/her rating. 

     

    Yes he did, and yes I did lol happy.png

     

    IpswichMatt

    Oh crap. I just checked with Stockfish, 23 Qxa7 is indeed best, but then Black has 23 ... Nc7 (which I completely missed) when White has nothing better than winning the exchange with 24 Nb7+ etc

     

    That is correct. I had missed 22.Qa5+ entirely tongue.png

    Apart from 22... Kd6, I looked at other king moves and I could see getting checkmated in several of those lines. Dropping the exchange with 22. Kd6 looked to be the only way out.. I think.

     

    White had ample chances to win.

    I think the last clear chance was on the 29th move.

    28. .. Rxh4 was a mistake. I had only considered the drawish 29. Rdxf3 Qxf3 30. Qxc7+ when white has nothing more than a perpetual. However, the in-between move 29. c4! would remove the back rank mate threat and then Rdxf3 would win hands down.

  • #11

    another awful game, if anyone feels like analysing happy.png

  • #12

    Your first several opening moves were pretty good, but that pawn advance c5 (=P-QB5) is not recommended in d-pawn openings such as for White in the Queen's Gambit Declined, or for Black in the Colle System. That just means you need to learn the nuances of the openings better, which is a relatively pleasant task.

    Similarly, the pawn push c7 and similar pawn pushes toward promotion usually don't work in a crowded middlegame like that, because there's no way to push that pawn to the last rank with so many of Black's pieces covering that rank. Such pawn pushes toward promotion usually work only in endgames. What typically happens is that pawn becomes overextended, not sufficiently defensible at that distance, and is eventually lost, as what happened here. It took me surprisingly long to learn that positional subtlety, which somebody pointed out to me in a chess club when we went over our game afterward. Fortunately, that too is a subtlety of which there are many, and it's quickly learned.

    28. Rc6 might have been better than all those knight moves, since you would challenge the open c-file, invite a trade of rooks, advance your passed pawn, and create more immediate threats, but I'd have to look at it deeper to be sure.

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    (p. 25)
    7...c4

       This is the sort of move instinc-
    tively made by a beginner. Its pur-
    pose is to chase off an annoying
    piece from its favourable post. The
    move is weak because it releases the
    pressure on White's centre. Tension
    must be maintained if Black is to
    have something to say about affairs
    in this vital area.
       Counterplay in the centre is the
    best means of opposing a kingside
    attack and to secure counterplay, the
    pawn position must be kept fluid.

    Chernev, Irving. 1998. Logical Chess: Move by Move. London: Faber & Faber.

  • #13
    Yes I thought his c5 was premature too.
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