Bg5 no good here? I was thinking of the Richter Rauzer when I played it

blueemu
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Thanks for the kind remarks! And congrats on the 400-point rating improvement.

You can repay my alleged dedication by commenting on my "bragging" thread...

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/a-heroic-defense-in-the-sicilian-najdorf-kids-dont-try-this-at-home-39199738

Played as I was turning 62 years old, that game could also have been called "Still crazy after all these years".

I'll be sure do so. Also, would you play a daily game against me? I challenged you already, but, of course, if you don't want to do it, I perfectly understand.  

Send me an unrated challenge, three days per move.

I probably don't play up to my rating anymore, though... I'm nearly blind.

Redgreenorangeyellow
blueemu wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Thanks for the kind remarks! And congrats on the 400-point rating improvement.

You can repay my alleged dedication by commenting on my "bragging" thread...

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/a-heroic-defense-in-the-sicilian-najdorf-kids-dont-try-this-at-home-39199738

Played as I was turning 62 years old, that game could also have been called "Still crazy after all these years".

I'll be sure do so. Also, would you play a daily game against me? I challenged you already, but, of course, if you don't want to do it, I perfectly understand.  

Send me an unrated challenge, three days per move.

I probably don't play up to my rating anymore, though... I'm nearly blind.

Well, you're probably much better than me anyways. 

rishabh11great
ToastyPosition wrote:

IF YOU ARE READING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE HAVE ALREADY COVERED Bg5 NOT BEING GOOD. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD FROM MOVE 10, PLEASE SHARE. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

 

I know it's not the same and would love to hear how it is different in that Bg5 is not a good move. A game I played months ago had someone comment that the Nf6 pawn could go to d5. So, the plan was to remove that possibility. Important or no? 

 

I'll focus on that position and anything in the game up until 16. e5 you see I should have done differently, please let me know. Thanks in advance.

 

 

Then why do you play it?

 

ArtNJ

@Blueemu is amazingly patient and helpful.  Of course, given the rating level of the person he is trying to help, a lot of the advice is too sophisticated to stick imho.  As far as I've seen, Toasty has been the same rating level for the whole time he has been coming here and changing names, and yet acts offended by the basic lessons that would actually fuel improvement and insists on getting into debates regarding points that someone of his rating level is usually not ready for.  (Granted, a lof of people don't read the entire thread even when its short, and he doesn't need to be told the same point ten times lol.)

DerekDHarvey

I much prefer a move number with the move, i.e 3.Bg5 Bg5 is meaningless without context.

 

ToastyPosition

How about DSB moves in this game? Was Bg5 worth it in this game? Should it have stayed on e3, and what do you make of Bc1? Short game anyways, doesn't seem to be a serious pivotal game. However, if that is the case does white know something to just keep the game a draw and go home?

 

 

ArtNJ

Bg5 looks pretty normal for these kinds of positions there toasty.  The idea is that with bxn you either pull the bishop away rom the dpawn or screw up his pawns.  The knight is also a guardian of the highly contested d5 square.  So if you put the position into stockfish, it ain't keeping the black knight there -- stockfish is moving it somewhere after bg5, such as nd7 as in the game.  

Stockfish comes up with some other ideas other than bg5, but be3 isn't one of them, because what does the bishop do there?  I don't think you'll be able to sink the knight on b6, even if you would want too, and bb6 doesn't do a whole lot.  If you look at stockfish's main line after forcing it to play be3, it does end up playing bb6 eventually, but it actually likes black better.  So if you aren't playing bg5, its better to wait with the bishop.  

ToastyPosition

"The idea is that with bxn you either pull the bishop away rom the dpawn or screw up his pawns. "

Can you use complete notation? I don't understand "bxn" Bxe6 you mean? How does it "pull the bishop away from the d pawn"? I am completely confused. Are we talking about the focused position I put up or another move? Let's not abbreviate things yet. Please spell out the move number and exact notation.

 

"If you look at stockfish's main line, it does end up playing bb6 eventually"

Again, how are you arriving at Bb6? Can you give the moves? When I put it through Stockfish, the question is why Bc1 when moves like a5, Bd2 instead of c1, h3, and f3 are shown. Those make more sense, with Bd2 taking a little more follow up to see R lifting over to c8.

 

punter99

The Najdorf pawn structure with pawns on d6 and e5 is all about the weak d5 square. White wants to bring a knight to d5 and he wants to make sure that in case of Bxd5 he doesn't have to recapture with the pawn exd5. All White's moves work towards this plan

Bg5 to trade off / chase away Nf6, a defender of the d5 square. Nd2 - Nf1 - Ne3. Typical knight maneuver in many Najdorf positions where White castles short.

Bc1 because after Nf1 he wants to free the e3 square for the knight. On d2 the bishop would block his own major pieces which can put some pressure against d6. However, MVL defended well so White's plan led to nothing