Clash of the Williams!!

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DeirdreSkye

One more Chinese kid?

chessperson2222222
DeirdreSkye wrote:

One more Chinese kid?

Yep

TheGloriousDefense

What's wrong with Chinese kids? Just curious wink.png.

DeirdreSkye

They are his nemesis.

WilliamShookspear

Fite me :3

Preggo_Basashi

Yeah, that's a pretty well known trap in the 2 knights caro. Surprised he didn't know Qh5.

I've won a number of blitz games like this... there are some fun final positions so I want to show

 

 

Preggo_Basashi

AFAIK this is how GMs these days play against it... I vaguely recall it in a recent top tournament, maybe the candidates even? Anyway, it has some odd looking moves

 

 

 

Hmm, can't find it. Everyone seems to be playing this line.

 



testaaaaa

venus vs serena

TwoMove

Fischer mentions this line in game against Petrosian Candidates 1959 in "60 Memorable games", 8Qh5 g6 9Bc4 e6 10Qe2 with threat of Nxf7. 

 

5Ne2 Qb6 6d4 c5 was another Fischer game from '59. 

pfren

Basically the 4...Bf5 line is wrong against thw two knights Caro, and the reason is that 8.Qh5 sortie (and which every second schoolboy knows about).

testaaaaa

make the 2 knights a one knight and then play against the dummy lightsquared-bishop

Rat1960
pfren wrote:

Basically the 4...Bf5 line is wrong against thw two knights Caro, and the reason is that 8.Qh5 sortie (and which every second schoolboy knows about).

Yes 4. ... Nf6 5. NxNf6 g7xNf6 6. d4 Rg8 I have played.
In the game I thought 6. ... Qa5 7. h5 Bf5

gingerninja2003
Preggo_Basashi wrote:

AFAIK this is how GMs these days play against it... I vaguely recall it in a recent top tournament, maybe the candidates even? Anyway, it has some odd looking moves

 

 

 

Hmm, can't find it. Everyone seems to be playing this line.

 



i know of a game between anand and Vachier lagrave with this opening but it wasn't that recent, it was two years ago but here it is anyway:

 

Preggo_Basashi

Yes, that's the one.

Wow, it was played in 2016? My sense of time on that game was way off. I thought it was pretty recent.

chessperson2222222
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Preggo_Basashi wrote:

AFAIK this is how GMs these days play against it... I vaguely recall it in a recent top tournament, maybe the candidates even? Anyway, it has some odd looking moves

 

 

 

Hmm, can't find it. Everyone seems to be playing this line.

 



i know of a game between anand and Vachier lagrave with this opening but it wasn't that recent, it was two years ago but here it is anyway:

 

I was watching that game live when I was in St. Louis 2 years ago! I remember very clearly Lagrave blundering horribly.

TwoMove

t 6. ... Qa5 7. h5 Bf5 then 8NxB QxB 9d4 is pretty bad for black too, two bishops, tempos on queen etc. As already mentioned very doubtful black can equalise after 4...Bf5.  4...Nd7 is probably alright if play similar against the main line.

pfren
TwoMove έγραψε:

t 6. ... Qa5 7. h5 Bf5 then 8NxB QxB 9d4 is pretty bad for black too, two bishops, tempos on queen etc. As already mentioned very doubtful black can equalise after 4...Bf5.  4...Nd7 is probably alright if play similar against the main line.

True, and I would also consider 8.b4 first (although the move gained is not very important).

Of course 3...Bg4 is what almost every master plays, but something like 3...dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6 exf6! is very logical: Nf3 is a bit premature in this line- there is a very nice game between Karjakin and Jobava played, where Black conducted a model attack.

On the other hand, 5...gxf6 6.d4 is a well-known line, where 6...Rg8? makes no sense- the rook is doing nothing here after 7.g3, which actually is one of the most dangerous moves for Black, even without the lemon at move 6.

Rat1960

#18. @pfren The game went:
1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ gxf6 6. d4 Rg8 7. Qd3 Qa5+ 8. Bd2 Qb6 9. Qxh7 Qxb2 10. Rc1 Rg7 11. Qh8 Bf5 12. c3 Nd7
The Caro-Kann is my back-up, so I was expecting 6. Bc4 Bg7 (see Smyslov v Botvinnik 17th / 1958 ).
After which I took a good look at Fischer v Keres Candidates 1959 3. ... Bg4 and all that.
What can I say, that is the only time the Two Knights has come up in my games. 

Preggo_Basashi
pfren wrote:
TwoMove έγραψε:

t 6. ... Qa5 7. h5 Bf5 then 8NxB QxB 9d4 is pretty bad for black too, two bishops, tempos on queen etc. As already mentioned very doubtful black can equalise after 4...Bf5.  4...Nd7 is probably alright if play similar against the main line.

True, and I would also consider 8.b4 first (although the move gained is not very important).

Of course 3...Bg4 is what almost every master plays, but something like 3...dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6 exf6! is very logical: Nf3 is a bit premature in this line- there is a very nice game between Karjakin and Jobava played, where Black conducted a model attack.

On the other hand, 5...gxf6 6.d4 is a well-known line, where 6...Rg8? makes no sense- the rook is doing nothing here after 7.g3, which actually is one of the most dangerous moves for Black, even without the lemon at move 6.

I get some pretty comfortable games after 3...dxe 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6

But it's usually lower rated players who think they're making a draw or something (?) I'm actually not sure why they play it.

I'll have to look for that Jobava game.