How would you estimate the (USCF or FIDE tournament) rating levels of the players in these 4 games

FishThatRoared

What follows is meant to generate a baseline for judging a player's strength. I would appreciate seeing your estimates of the strength shown by each side in each of the 4 games below, after you have replayed them. Please state your estimates in terms of an over-the-board tournament rating (US or FIDE, for "standard" time controls).... NOT a Chess.com rating or any online or blitz server. 

None of the games have been published anywhere, and none of the players is a famous grandmaster or anything. So, this is not a test of your ability to recognize old games or players; it's just my attempt to crowdsource something that hopefully will come close to an objective evaluation of these player's strength levels.

 

Game 1: 

 

Game 2: 

Game 3:

 

Game 4:

 

Rat1960

There is no chance.
First telling us 90 minutes for 40 moves (plus 30 mins plus 10 seconds per move) is all very well but you kind of need how long taken by each move.
Take the first game 2. c4 could have played 2. e4 ... the length of the ponder would provide some reading between the lines.
By move 8. I think they are below IM - What was ... Bd7 about and 8. d4xe5 means I rate white lower than a CM. I think 9. Nd5 is a joke. 13. e3 is a blunder.
However I have clicked through 24 half moves in less than two minutes.
14. ... Rd2 hit me like a bolt out of the blue.
Would I have seen it coming if I had spend say 20 minutes on the game to that point, do not know.
Essentially you are asking folks to spend five hours to write out eight numbers relative to their own.

howian1

Game 1, around 2,000.  Around move 6, I like white, the Bishop at d7 seems misplaced, and d x e immediately seems to put some pressure on black.   

R-d2 is a massive move.  N-h3 seems to be a better defense though black is much better.   I think nice game for a good player but not of international strength.    

PawnstormPossie
Rat1960 wrote:

There is no chance.
First telling us 90 minutes for 40 moves (plus 30 mins plus 10 seconds per move) is all very well but you kind of need how long taken by each move.
Take the first game 2. c4 could have played 2. e4 ... the length of the ponder would provide some reading between the lines.
By move 8. I think they are below IM - What was ... Bd7 about and 8. d4xe5 means I rate white lower than a CM. I think 9. Nd5 is a joke. 13. e3 is a blunder.
However I have clicked through 24 half moves in less than two minutes.
14. ... Rd2 hit me like a bolt out of the blue.
Would I have seen it coming if I had spend say 20 minutes on the game to that point, do not know.
Essentially you are asking folks to spend five hours to write out eight numbers relative to their own.

Difficult to judge both players with 1 short game and no time information.

GAME #1 (only game I spent time on)

White is probably Class E-D (1200)

Black is probably Class D-C (1400)

You should look for criteria and methods for evaluating players.

 

ghost_of_pushwood

So you think a 1400 would find 14... Rd2? grin.png

ghost_of_pushwood

The last game was pretty entertaining (sorry it took us this long to notice).

Ghost_Horse0

All the players feel like 1500-2000. So the winners are like, 1700-2000 and the losers are something like 1500-1700. I don't know, something like that.

In the 4th game black's opening is funny... I've actually seen it before but I'd forgotten all about it. So even though it's silly, just for knowing it exists black can't be as bad as that opening might suggest to some people tongue.png

Ghost_Horse0
howian1 wrote:

Game 1, around 2,000.  Around move 6, I like white, the Bishop at d7 seems misplaced, and d x e immediately seems to put some pressure on black.   

R-d2 is a massive move.  N-h3 seems to be a better defense though black is much better.   I think nice game for a good player but not of international strength.    

Out of the 4 winners, I had the best impression of the first game... but yeah, every player in every game had at least one weird move like Bd7.

Out of the 4 losers I was least impressed with game 3. People who sacrifice a pawn in the opening and then take their time developing are bizarre.