Play Nc6, Postpone Nc6, or Play Nd7 (later) in this game?

ToastyPosition

I got into an interesting game today. The funny thing is there was a similar back rank mating threat earlier on. The question I have has to do with Nc6 being played on or after move 6.

 

There is a Scotch line that has a related position, but black hasn't castled, and the queen is not in the center. I will post the rest in the next post with chess diagrams. Would you play, postpone, or do something else with the N? Regardless your decision, please explain why.

ToastyPosition

 

 

ajl721

Nc6 was the better move than c5 as you develop a piece and gain a tempo. Pretty simple right? Re8 was also an alternative to take advantage of the open file.

punter99

Nc6 is better. c5 is only good if you are able to play d5, like in the game, but after something like 

 

 

rychessmaster1

In that scotch position you actually DONT retake on c6 and instead play 5... Qf6! Threatening mate and retaking the knight next move

 

IHaveTHECoronaVirus

That is the game xqcow vs. Moistcr1tikal

pfren
rychessmaster1 έγραψε:

In that scotch position you actually DONT retake on c6 and instead play 5... Qf6! Threatening mate and retaking the knight next move

 

 

Why so?

5...bxc6 is widely accepted as a perfectly good move.

Here is the supposed main line, where Black's excellent pawn sac 8...d5! (which comes from Correspondence  Chess) gives him a nice, active position.

 

rychessmaster1
pfren wrote:
rychessmaster1 έγραψε:

In that scotch position you actually DONT retake on c6 and instead play 5... Qf6! Threatening mate and retaking the knight next move

 

 

Why so?

5...bxc6 is widely accepted as a perfectly good move.

Here is the supposed main line, where Black's excellent pawn sac 8...d5! (which comes from Correspondence  Chess) gives him a nice, active position.

 

I didn't mean to say that bxc was a bad move, just that Qf6 is probably a bit better

ajl721

Qf6 is the best move, but bxc6 is a perfectly acceptable move. Nothing wrong with it.

rychessmaster1
ajl721 wrote:

Qf6 is the best move, but bxc6 is a perfectly acceptable move. Nothing wrong with it.

Yes

pfren
rychessmaster1 έγραψε:
pfren wrote:
rychessmaster1 έγραψε:

In that scotch position you actually DONT retake on c6 and instead play 5... Qf6! Threatening mate and retaking the knight next move

 

 

Why so?

5...bxc6 is widely accepted as a perfectly good move.

Here is the supposed main line, where Black's excellent pawn sac 8...d5! (which comes from Correspondence  Chess) gives him a nice, active position.

 

I didn't mean to say that bxc was a bad move, just that Qf6 is probably a bit better

 

A matter of taste. While Black should be OK after 5...Qf6 6.Qf3! this type of middlegame is not much to my liking.

rychessmaster1

I play 4... Nf6 in the Scotch so I don't know for sure

ToastyPosition

"OK after 5...Qf6 6.Qf3! this type of middlegame is not much to my liking."

 

Yea, I don't like it either. It reminds me of the French Advance, where black can play Qb6 and then white playes Qb3. I think this is also seen in QG lines too (and Grunfeld?). 

ToastyPosition

It happened in a Aronian game today. Neo-Grunfeld. 

 

kingandqueen2017

How about 5...Qf6 in the Scotch? It is the main line.

kingandqueen2017

I think it is satisfactory for Black after Qf3.