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What rating should a player have to see Qh1 in this position?

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WereThoseGoodMoves

On move 32, black could have played Qh1. What is the lowest rating you would expect for a player to see Qh1?

justbefair

Pretty advanced .Maybe 2000.

Compadre_J

I would say an Attacking player rated 1,000 could find it.

AtaChess68
Depends on the time control of course. I think a 1000 with time could see it, I (1700-ish) could definitely miss it in any time control. But being too defensive is one of my weaknesses.
mikewier

In an OTB tournament game, anyone over 1400 should find it. It is a common theme in such positions. The only calculation black has to make is to be sure that there is no perpetual check.

in a speed game, most players at 1700 or higher will make it. Even if black isn’t going to win the kingside pawns, the opportunity to exchange queens to enter an ending with a good bishop versus a bad bishop just calls out for Qh1.

LosingPosition1

In a Rapid or Classical game, I would say a 1300-1500 could find it. Maybe 1700 in Blitz

JBarryChess

Many of my opponents and myself would have played QH1 (900-1000) {in blitz}. Kf2 is too passive.

Tempetown

Why would you possibly care what rating a player 'should have' to be able to find a move?

Tempetown
Tempetown wrote:

Why would you possibly care what rating a player 'should have' to be able to find a move?

Unless, of course, you suspect him of the C word. If so, there are much better analytics that reviewing the probability of one move from a sub 1000 player.

MartinMacT

I suppose I am being a bit unfair, but Qh1 seems the obvious move. It threatens to win a pawn, or exchange Queens( where Black has a vulnerable isolated pawn), or even win a bishop. I can't see anything else that comes close – any other move just seems like wood-shifting.

AtaChess68
Tempetown wrote:

Why would you possibly care what rating a player 'should have' to be able to find a move?

Because you want to know if an engine suggestion relevant is for you? I ask myself this question several times a week.

@Mikewier: thx for the explanation. I missed the good bishop vs bad bsihop theme (and yes, that is relavant for my ratinmg range ;-)

chesstornedo

It could be 2100.

Tempetown
AtaChess68 wrote:
Tempetown wrote:

Why would you possibly care what rating a player 'should have' to be able to find a move?

Because you want to know if an engine suggestion relevant is for you? I ask myself this question several times a week.

@Mikewier: thx for the explanation. I missed the good bishop vs bad bsihop theme (and yes, that is relavant for my ratinmg range ;-)

No I think you are absolutely missing the point here. If you want to know if an engine suggestion is relevant for you, that is all well and good. But the engine doesnt care what your rating is. Its answer is its answer whether you are rated 500 or 2500.

magipi
AtaChess68 wrote:
 

Because you want to know if an engine suggestion relevant is for you? I ask myself this question several times a week.

If you can figure out why the engine's suggestion is the best (with the help of the engine or without), then it's relevant for you. If it's way over your head, then it's not relevant.

On the other hand, it is completely pointless to ask others whether something is relevant for you or not. How could they know?

nappil34

it is 1100

Tempetown
magipi wrote:
AtaChess68 wrote:
 

Because you want to know if an engine suggestion relevant is for you? I ask myself this question several times a week.

If you can figure out why the engine's suggestion is the best (with the help of the engine or without), then it's relevant for you. If it's way over your head, then it's not relevant.

On the other hand, it is completely pointless to ask others whether something is relevant for you or not. How could they know?

Those are excellent points. Alternatively, what I was trying to say is that it doesnt matter at what Elo rating other people can or cannot understand the engine's rationale. Either you can or you cant. Other people's abilities are inconsequential.

Compadre_J

The OP closed his account it seems so discussion is probably pointless now.

However, I do think the OP question is a good one.

The funny thing is I do think Chess Rating also can reflect certain corky habits Chess Players have at different rating range.

For Example:

I think an aggressive 1,000 player can find and play Qh1. I think they will find it and play it because most chess players in that ranking range tend to favor playing aggressive and using their Queen.

The idea of getting their Queen closer to enemy King to do bunch of checks is very consistent with there nature.

Their above nature is often their biggest down fall in chess games because they rush head first into battle with their Queen and sometimes end up losing their Queen or not adequately understanding their position is in danger.

If you was to ask me if a 1,200 can find the move Qh1, I would say NO! LOL

It sounds crazy, but I generally believe a player 1,200 wouldn’t play Qh1.

I believe a player rated 1,200 would see the move Qh1, but I don’t they would play it!

The reason they wouldn’t play it is because they would be afraid of Qd7+.

CharlestonViennaGambit

I would expect 1000 at the lowest.