Which side do you prefer here?

ghost_of_pushwood

I seem to recall Tarrasch saying that R + 2Bs were superior to 2Rs + Kt.

Optimissed

At first glance I think black looks a little bit better.

Rat1960
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

I seem to recall Tarrasch saying that R + 2Bs were superior to 2Rs + Kt.

Works for me.
Qc1 (threatening to win the h-pawn). So black to move already has to be aware.

jon-coles1

Without using an engine to analyse the position: the position looks defensible for White with careful play. Black's pawns are a bit messy and the bishop pair is well-located to restrain any constructive pawn moves for Black. That said, White will need to be very precise. Black's best chance, in my view, is to play Qa5 on nothing more than the basis that e5 looks 'wrong'.

ghost_of_pushwood

defensible for White...?

jon-coles1
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

defensible for White...?

Without using an engine to work out the position, it appeared to me both sides need to play precisely. The bishop pair is strongly placed to restrain the black pawns. Black's got a long defensive chore ahead, but white has to play precisely to retain any advantage conferred by the possession of the bishop pair.

Using an engine, (Stockfish) shows the position as more or less equal a long way down.

OTB, with players of equal skill, my guess is that below 2000 or so rating black would edge it and above 2200, white would. But that's only my opinion. In either event, it'd be a grind.

ghost_of_pushwood

Yes.  And there are many other opinions here that have already been offered...

Rat1960

#45
... Qa5 ; Qd1 (go the other diagonal) Qe5 (white was threatening Qh5) Qg4 (threat Qxg6 Qh7#)
which is all I can see but the white queen can switch back to attacking the h-pawn.
The bishop, pawn, king line up is killing. 

Terminator-T800

I would rather be white

Nordlandia

@pfren: I've done some reasearch on this imbalance and the consensus is that the side with the bishops need atleast one pawn when contesting rook & knight, even then the side with the two bishops is underdog. The line your showcased is a good example. In case of RBB vs RRN the side with the two bishops should avoid to trade his rook for villain's redundant rook. 

 

 

Top engines evaulate following position as 0.50 - 0.75 for white. The real question is whether it's more chances for white to win than black can held this endgame. 

A friend of mine (rated 2200) replied in a human game it can go both ways. 

ghost_of_pushwood

Thank God there's been research!

mariners234

According to my research two rooks are worth more than a queen, but only in the autumn, or on Tuesdays after 7.

ghost_of_pushwood

This calls for further research!

Rat1960

#50 whole game.

ZukertortsRevenge

Personally, I prefer white for reasons already discussed. The position is inherently equal but unbalanced. I feel as though this is the kind of position Carlsen would enjoy as white - a slow grind.

OldPatzerMike
mariners234 wrote:

According to my research two rooks are worth more than a queen, but only in the autumn, or on Tuesdays after 7.

Ahhhh...but has your research taken leap years into account?

loembans

I prefer white. The combination of bishops will good to cornering Black's king

Savage47
ZukertortsRevenge wrote:
I feel as though this is the kind of position Carlsen would enjoy as white - a slow grind.

IMO white is very active here. Plenty of weak squares to exploit, weak pawns to attack and a slightly exposed black king. Black is the one with the slow grind here. 

Savage47
OldPatzerMike wrote:
mariners234 wrote:

According to my research two rooks are worth more than a queen, but only in the autumn, or on Tuesdays after 7.

Ahhhh...but has your research taken leap years into account?

According to Tarrrasch, leap years only matter on days ending in Y.

Of course, Nimzovich disagreed.