A well-known position, but is it actually possible?

99% Chance I am wrong! :P

I have seen this position in many places, and it has always stated the black to move is stalemate and that white to move was a win for white. But can it be white's move?

I think most of the time I have seen that position it is actually with the white King one file over from that position. Then if it is White to move it is a draw and Black to move it is a win for White.

As that diagram stands, you are a correct.

Ah I see. That makes alot of sense now. :D

Thanks

Black to move will reach the position given in the first post. White to move wins.

Sorry for having to ask this, but how? Even, if black and white are cooperating?

Thanks again,

Vincent

vincent, are you asking how W wins from the position in #4? By playing e7, and B's K has to go to f7, and W's Kd7 enables the p to reach e8 and promote. The principle I read somewhere is 'quietly onto the 7th rank'. If W plays their p to the 7th and gives check, then B can get their K onto the queening square and draw. If the pawn move to the 7th doesn't give check, then W wins.

People are misunderstanding vincent, who in turn is somewhat misunderstanding Ziryab.

vincent: in Ziryab's post, he is saying that from the position he posted White to move wins with 1.e7 Kf7 2.Kd7, while Black to move will reach the stalemate position after 1...Kd8 2.e7+ Ke8 3.Ke6 draw.

You are correct that in the position you posted in your original post that it cannot be White to move for the reasons you described.

Ah I see now.

Thank you very much Marvellosity,

Vincent

Very nice! So, it is possible.

Thanks again,

Vincent

Uh, that was exactly what he said in the first post. But yeah, it's a rather unlikely position if it's white to move.

Thanks, to all of you guys,

Vincent

hmm not very possible for a smart game

Well .... it is possible

Guess that's just one more proof that I need a lot of work on my chess. I never even thought of situations like those shown.

Thanks for the posts you guys. Is there a position like that where it was forced? Because if white didn't comply, it was a stalemate anyway?

If you type chess into google and click 'I'm feeling lucky' you get directed to Chess.com!

genious!!

I like it!