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CONCHESSNESS

I've been playing for a few years now and I'm ready to get serious. I've never seriously  studied any opening and truly made a repertoire. I would really appreciate some suggestions from my chess family! I'm a tactical player and that's part of why I haven't memorized any openings I found it boring, but I'm not improving stuck at 1600 chess.com rating. I bought chess position trainer program but I need to chose a opening and stick to it. Looking for something aggressive with lots of traps for opponents yet sound. Thanks in advance for anyone who takes the time to help me!

Daybreak57
People will pay a master to give them an opening repertoire usually. I myself have a repertoire, but I can't give it to you, because I got this repertoire from a chess school, and I wouldn't want to give away their advice that they worked so hard to give me that I paid for to someone who hasn't paid.

All I can say is that you can look at my games and see what I do, but I have been changing some of my openings lately and I sometimes played other openings as black that I was told not to do for a variety of reasons so I do not know how much it will help you.

I won't say anymore sorry. I was going to say something, but I changed my mind because I would have been quoting one of my instructors in one of my lessons with them. All anyone can really say is that people pay big money for advice on an opening repertoire. Maybe not big money, but money nonetheless.

Repertoire books often are too long to memorize and are aimed at people above 2200. I have been an advocate of studying openings in the past but I've recently realized that it's not the opening that really dictates the game, but your ability to calculate variables, how to convert a pawn structure favorably, and just learning as many patterns as you can by studying tactics sets.
CONCHESSNESS

Thank you Daybreak57 and may I say very well put. Also I applaud your loyalty and integrity to your instructor. I have invested the money for the opening program I just need a suggested opening to import and begin studying. I was thinking the Ruy Lopez but I'm told it transposes into the Berlin and that's a rabbit hole I'm not quite ready for. Do you think Ruy is a good starting point? I agree there's just to much to memorize and honestly I feel really intimidated.

1818-1828271
Create your own repertoire logically. Figuring this out on your own would probably help you memorize and learn from it too. it's likely going to be a gradual process that you continuously build upon and you probably already have more knowledge than you realize, so don't treat it like there's any real end goal--just the process of doing it is your goal.
1818-1828271
I'll add with the whole end-goal and intimidation thing, because I just saw your last post, don't feel intimidated by the depth of theory.

Start by memorizing the first 5 moves of your desired opening, then 6, then 7, and so on. Most lines that you want to avoid can be avoided, such as the Berlin.
1818-1828271
I should mention I have never properly studied openings, but original approaches rather than easy answers often yield unexpectedly positive results. Just my general rule of thumb for a lot of things...

Just think about it logically:

You're looking at the starting position on a chess board. It's a mine field of possibilities. Are you going to learn about the nuances of why certain lines are better than others by trusting what someone else says or by digging in and REALLY getting to the bottom of things?

Even if you dig in to a line and in the end decide it's not for you, it's not a waste of your time. Figuring out what doesn't work is as educational as figuring out what does work.
CONCHESSNESS

Thanks for the valid input! I will just start!!! I procrastinate because I know the first 3 to 5 moves but it feels useless since I don't understand the concepts overall. So I get your point 1818-1828271 (I saw that film awesome profile pic)!

as far as grasping the overall concept instead route memorization. BobbyTalparov

I will look into those moves. Thank you so much for your consideration.

 

universityofpawns

Whatever you do don't pay for it....that is cheating...lol.

CONCHESSNESS

Is it true the Ruy is extremely drawish, am I setting myself up for a true Spanish torture? Or can that be true of most sound theoretical openings which have been studied so much?

CONCHESSNESS

We all pay one way or the other (time or money) but I agree university I'm not ready to pay an instructor until I prove to myself I will have the discipline to consistently dedicate myself to learning.

Daybreak57
anamorphosis64 wrote:

Thank you Daybreak57 and may I say very well put. Also I applaud your loyalty and integrity to your instructor. I have invested the money for the opening program I just need a suggested opening to import and begin studying. I was thinking the Ruy Lopez but I'm told it transposes into the Berlin and that's a rabbit hole I'm not quite ready for. Do you think Ruy is a good starting point? I agree there's just to much to memorize and honestly I feel really intimidated.

The Ruy Lopez I think can be more complicated than the simple Italian game, though I'm told from people that have been playing chess for a long time when I used playing the Italian with them that they havn't played this way since they where a kid.  If you want a grown up opening, then maybe the Italian opening isn't for you, but just remember the person with higher rating will usually beat you if you play the Ruy Lopez with them.  It's easier to play the Italian though....  Even playing the Italian there would be certain things you'd need to know, but that can all be learned simply by studying what went wrong after you played a game and analyzing the game once by yourself then with a computer.  You should, as everyone else should, create your own opening book, where you put in all the traps that cost you the game in the opening.  Eventually you will have a hundred things to study by rote until they are memorized.

1818-1828271
Awesome. Always good to know when people recognize my avatar :)
Daybreak57
anamorphosis64 wrote:

Is it true the Ruy is extremely drawish, am I setting myself up for a true Spanish torture? Or can that be true of most sound theoretical openings which have been studied so much?

People have been saying playing the Ruy Lopez with d3 is the way to go but I wouldn't know for sure I know Magnus Carlsen plays it but's that's about all I know.

Daybreak57
Daybreak57 wrote:
anamorphosis64 wrote:

Is it true the Ruy is extremely drawish, am I setting myself up for a true Spanish torture? Or can that be true of most sound theoretical openings which have been studied so much?

People have been saying playing the Ruy Lopez with d3 is the way to go but I wouldn't know for sure I know Magnus Carlsen plays it but's that's about all I know.

 I would look up some games in the database for games of the Ruy Lopez when d3 was played by white.  I've been hearing rants and raves about it so maybe there is something there.

ryan_duan_06

If you want tactics and excitement, try out the kings gambit for white. There are lines where you sacrifice pieces in the opening. For black, try out Latvian Counter Gambit, e4, e5, Nf3, f5

CONCHESSNESS

Great advice across the board, I mean it! I'm going to comb through my losses and brush up on proper responses!!! So logical it should've been obvious. Yeah I just played some blitz games and not one person would let me get the standard Ruy on them! Daybreak your right just go slow and study I'm not going to be Magnus in a month. Just enjoy the ride. I also agree with the point on the Italian whenever I play it I feel like a Patzer beginner fish. I'm tired of cheap wins. I want to win because I'm the better more serious player, not just because I'm a better tactician. I can handle higher rated players once out of their memorized responses but I just know if I could have better positions out of the opening I could go up at least 200 points. My highest rating was 1811. My soft goal is 2000 so I figured I would at least start a repertoire. Just can't friggin chose one. When I pick one  no one will allow me to play it so it's not only hard to practice it but it also feels like it's useless and I chose the wrong opening. But I'm aware that's not going to stop no matter what opening I finally do choose.

CONCHESSNESS

Very sound approach. I think your point of learning something with many uses for long-term development rather than something overly simple to get quick wins is the better method in the long run.

WeakChessPlayedSlow
I'm not going to get into specific suggestions, but it should be noted that spending any real amount of time developing a repertoire under 2200 is a waste.
kindaspongey

"It is important for club players to build up a suitable opening repertoire." - GM Artur Yusupov (2010)
For someone seeking help with choosing openings, I usually bring up Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014).
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
I believe that it is possible to see a fair portion of the beginning of Tamburro's book by going to the Mongoose Press site.
https://www.mongoosepress.com/catalog/excerpts/openings_amateurs.pdf
Perhaps anamorphosis64 would also want to look at Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006).
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
"Each player should choose an opening that attracts him. Some players are looking for a gambit as White, others for Black gambits. Many players that are starting out (or have bad memories) want to avoid mainstream systems, others want dynamic openings, and others want calm positional pathways. It’s all about personal taste and personal need.
For example, if you feel you’re poor at tactics you can choose a quiet positional opening (trying to hide from your weakness and just play chess), or seek more dynamic openings that engender lots of tactics and sacrifices (this might lead to more losses but, over time, will improve your tactical skills and make you stronger)." - IM Jeremy Silman (January 28, 2016)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/opening-questions-and-a-dream-mate
https://www.chess.com/article/view/picking-the-correct-opening-repertoire
http://chess-teacher.com/best-chess-openings/
https://www.chess.com/blog/TigerLilov/build-your-opening-repertoire
https://www.chess.com/blog/CraiggoryC/how-to-build-an-opening-repertoire
https://www.chess.com/article/view/learning-an-opening-to-memorize-or-understand
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-perfect-opening-for-the-lazy-student
https://www.chess.com/article/view/3-ways-to-learn-new-openings
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9035.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627110453/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen169.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9029.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7277.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf

CONCHESSNESS

Just a wondering how I will ever get to 2200 without knowing some openings? Thanks kindaspongey for all the resources!!!