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CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
BellaHansen wrote:
I believe it is up to everyone’s own opinion.


What is sporting might be up to someones opinion,  but what is defined or universally accepted as a sport is not.

 

You do realize that “universally accepted” is the argument against chess as sport. A minority consider it such, and very few dictionaries have a definition of sport that is sufficiently flexible.


Not in modern times my friend.   The majority of players and commentators consider it a sport which you would realize if you were an actual fan of it.   And just like e-sports,  chess online is just another video game and a sport for all the reasons I have been arguing.

 

There you go again. Showing your ignorance via a attempted personal attack.

If you are such a sport, play chess that demands deep calculation, positional understanding, and pattern recognition instead of the diminutive substitute that so many of us enjoy as a diversion from serious preparation.

I love blitz. But, I also know enough about chess to understand the difference between the puppet and the shadow (that’s a literary reference to The Republic by Plato).


Please stop being a hypocrite and stay on topic of this thread.  I accept your concession to the point.   The majority of players and commentators consider it a sport which you would realize if you were an actual fan of it.   And just like e-sports,  chess online is just another video game and a sport for all the reasons I have been arguing.

 

It has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that chess players are not athletes unless they engage in athletic activity, which chess is not. The topic at hand has been exhausted.

You flawed arguments and attempted personal attacks remain, however.

I agree. There are always exceptions to the rule, I would even say extreme speed chess is athletic and people who have very fast reflexes playing chess could be considered athletes. I can't play that fast, but a lot of people can. 

I can't remember who brought it up, I think it was you, who gave the definition of sport from a couple centuries ago. It was something like "pastime" and other similar definitions. So when Coolout says "not in modern times my friend" he somehow manages to outdo himself and be even more wrong than usual. I would agree that chess could have been a sport back then, by definition. But today, since the definition is so much different, it is not. 

Even with many organizations calling it a sport, I don't think that makes it a sport. 

 

I think there are, and the Oxford English Dictionary includes, several definitions of sport in common usage even today. I also think the OED is not wholly up-to-date on the ways usage sometimes embraces certain games like chess. That’s where our disagreement lies. 

Mostly, I think, you and I agree on some basic terms and how they should be applied. I’m also leery of calling speed chess athletic, at least when played online. On a physical board with clocks, however, the amount of movement increases somewhat. It also takes a great deal of finesse combined with speed to play within the rules: if your chess pieces are not standing after you release them, you are not allowed to press the clock.


Again you people show you don't understand the definition of athletic.  Having fast reflexes in speed chess does not mean strength and agility.   It also doesn't mean stamina.   All three are what define athletic.     Reflexes are simply an example of  exercised skill many of you claim you dont' understand the meaning of. But it has nothing to do with athleticism,  which according to most definitions is not a requirement of an athlete or sport.   Again,  Nervesofbutter posting the definition from merriam webster as an example.  Oxford is another one.


Again you show your ignorance, by referring to "the definition" of a word. Words usually have a range of meanings and not understanding that makes you unfit to discuss anything here, beyond what you like to eat.

Wits-end

I popped back in to this worn-out thread. With the exception of some very well reasoned and supported dialogue, the topic is an utter failure of communication. Here’s a thought, poll athletes who have competed at the collegiate, national, or professional level on the subject. It seems they would know more about what is and is not a sport. 

lfPatriotGames
Wits-end wrote:

I popped back in to this worn-out thread. With the exception of some very well reasoned and supported dialogue, the topic is an utter failure of communication. Here’s a thought, poll athletes who have competed at the collegiate, national, or professional level on the subject. It seems they would know more about what is and is not a sport. 

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that a poll among a large portion of both athletes and chess players would show some pretty definitive results. 

I think athletes would, by a very large margin (97%ish) say chess is not a sport. And the same question posed to chess players would probably not even get 50% support. Chess players love the game, but they aren't so deluded to think that they are athletes because they play chess. 

So of course athletes aren't going to say chess is a sport, but I think the question can be answered by chess players themselves. My guess is that about 35% of chess players think chess is a sport. 

And probably about 3% of those think that chess players are athletes. 

StumpyBlitzer

Hi, 

This has gone out of topic and the discussion has gone.

Thanks a lot 

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