Carlsen Drops Out of WC Cycle!

  • #181

    I thought Carlsen played well at Nanjing which is matchplay ?

  • #182

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.

  • #183
    trysts wrote:

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.


     lol you actually follow the tournaments.

  • #184
    kco wrote:
    trysts wrote:

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.


     lol you actually follow the tournaments.


    Why is it funny that I follow the tournaments?

  • #185

    tricklev wrote-

    http://cssjs.chesscomfiles.com/images/icons/custom/quote.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #d7d7d0; color: #444444; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 24px; display: block; font-family: Arial; background-position: 4px 4px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; margin: 6px; border: 1px solid #bcbcb3;">jesterville wrote:

    Carlsen may be boxed in. He refuses to play until the rules change...and some of the top players do not support him. If enough top GMs favour the "match play" then according to FIDE, they will be forced to keep it after the current cycle. Thus, Carlsen will either have to "change his mind" ( and look like an idiot )...or remain on the fringe...

    ...either way this turns out...the kid really knows how to draw a crowd.

    I'm not sure if you actually read the letter, no where in it is Carlsen mentioning the things you speak of. Refuses to play in a match? He didn't say, he only said he would leave the 2008-2012 cycle.

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    I beg to defer.

    He has indicated to FIDE that he will not participate in the upcoming Candidates Matches which will lead up to the WCC. He has thus refused to play. He goes on to explain that the reason why he has decided not to participate, is because the current format offers the current champion an unfair advantage. Clearly, if the current format remains unchanged, then his reasons for not playing remains. He then proposes an alternative format which he  thinks to be more acceptable. And, his last statement clearly says "My current plan is to continue to participate in well-organised top-level tournaments and try to maintain the no.1 spot..."

    Clearly, you have a different opinion of what he said. Please share.

  • #186

    Carlsen will NEVER be World Champion and he knows it, thus the charade.

  • #187
    Reb wrote:

    Will there be candidates matches to determine a challenger or a candidates tournament ? 


    Matches, but only four games each at classic times, then tiebreakers.  They are too short to be truly representative (many players are slow starters, and would be doomed), but at least it is a head-to-head match series again.  (The Final might be six games, FIDE changes the rules so often it is hard to keep up).

    The problem is sponsorship.  It's hard enough to get the sponsors for the WC Match; no one seems anxious to back the play-ins.  In the '60s and '70s, the matches were longer, and held in separate locations.  Now they can only manage it as a single site.

  • #188

    How many peoples play in the matches ?

  • #189
    Noun 1. chess matchchess match - a match between chess players        
    match - a formal contest in which two or more persons or teams compete

    I think we need to clarify "match" - I am not too familiar with the qualifying process for the WCC, but when we talk about "match" we mean a series of games between two players, right? 

  • #190

    Yes, the word has two chess meanings, in this context a head-to-head encounter between individuals is meant.

  • #191
    jesterville wrote:

    tricklev wrote-

     

    http://cssjs.chesscomfiles.com/images/icons/custom/quote.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #d7d7d0; color: #444444; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 24px; display: block; font-family: Arial; background-position: 4px 4px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; margin: 6px; border: 1px solid #bcbcb3;">jesterville wrote:

    Carlsen may be boxed in. He refuses to play until the rules change...and some of the top players do not support him. If enough top GMs favour the "match play" then according to FIDE, they will be forced to keep it after the current cycle. Thus, Carlsen will either have to "change his mind" ( and look like an idiot )...or remain on the fringe...

    ...either way this turns out...the kid really knows how to draw a crowd.

    I'm not sure if you actually read the letter, no where in it is Carlsen mentioning the things you speak of. Refuses to play in a match? He didn't say, he only said he would leave the 2008-2012 cycle.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I beg to defer.

    He has indicated to FIDE that he will not participate in the upcoming Candidates Matches which will lead up to the WCC. He has thus refused to play. He goes on to explain that the reason why he has decided not to participate, is because the current format offers the current champion an unfair advantage. Clearly, if the current format remains unchanged, then his reasons for not playing remains. He then proposes an alternative format which he  thinks to be more acceptable. And, his last statement clearly says "My current plan is to continue to participate in well-organised top-level tournaments and try to maintain the no.1 spot..."

    Clearly, you have a different opinion of what he said. Please share.


    I think reading comprehension might be the problem here.

    I won't take part in this WC cycle.

    I will instead focus on keeping my Nr1 spot in the ratings.

    Neither of the above quotes mean he refuses to take part in any WC cycle until his suggestions and preferences are the law.

  • #192
    trysts wrote:
    kco wrote:
    trysts wrote:

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.


     lol you actually follow the tournaments.


    Why is it funny that I follow the tournaments?


    Yeah, what's funny about following the tournaments ? I follow the tournaments too, OK ?  Smile

  • #193

    tricklev,

    It is implied that he does not like the rule, and therefore chooses not to play...of course he can choose to play in the next cycle...nothing is preventing him from doing so. But clearly, if the rules are unchanged in the next cycle, then he will look like an idiot if he rejoins the Candidates...and nothing has changed in his favour.

  • #194

    In the interview he says:

    Does this mean that you will not participate in a World Championship in the future?

    No, no, absolutely not. I hope that there will be changes in the future. It is clear that I will be back in it then. The decision now applies only to the current world championship cycle.

     

    It does sound like he is linking his future participation to the occurence of "changes", although being vague as to how much changes could persuade him to participate. 

  • #195
    Atos wrote:

     

    In the interview he says:

    Does this mean that you will not participate in a World Championship in the future?

    No, no, absolutely not. I hope that there will be changes in the future. It is clear that I will be back in it then. The decision now applies only to the current world championship cycle.

     

    It does sound like he is linking his future participation to the occurence of "changes", although being vague as to how much changes could persuade him to participate. 


    If they can finish one cycle without actually changing the rules along the way, that's already a great change.

  • #196

    Apparently, ECU President Silvio Danailov, also a member of the FIDE presidential board and best known as Topalovs evil manager, has prepared a solution that will make everyone happy, to be proposed at the next presidential board.

    "Of course, there are always possibilities to find a solution. The WCC cycle needs Carlsen and vice versa, this is clear to everybody. Right now I am preparing a proposal to the next FIDE Presidential Board, which in my opinion is the perfect solution to the problem. So, I am very hopeful that Magnus will play finally and everybody will be happy."

     

    http://reports.chessdom.com/news-2010/danailov-carlsen-candidates-matches

  • #197

    Magnus is coming across a bit like a spoiled brat imo. FIDE wouldnt make concessions to Fischer even after he became world champion, why should they to someone who isnt and hasnt even played a match for it yet ?

  • #198

    I doubt anything of the sort will happen. Agreed though, if it does, at this point it would be nothing but an embarrassment.

  • #199
    Reb wrote:

    Magnus is coming across a bit like a spoiled brat imo. FIDE wouldnt make concessions to Fischer even after he became world champion, why should they to someone who isnt and hasnt even played a match for it yet ?


    They didn't make concessions to Fischer, just not all of them.

    You are coming of as pretty simple so far in this thread Reb, maybe you need to idolize less and think more.

  • #200
    Tricklev wrote:
    Reb wrote:

    Magnus is coming across a bit like a spoiled brat imo. FIDE wouldnt make concessions to Fischer even after he became world champion, why should they to someone who isnt and hasnt even played a match for it yet ?


    They didn't make concessions to Fischer, just not all of them.

    You are coming of as pretty simple so far in this thread Reb, maybe you need to idolize less and think more.


     What I know is that changes were already made so that Carlsen would be included in this cycle , now he has withdrawn anyway because apparently he wants more changes. I also know he wants a tournament format to produce the champion which has proved vastly inferior in finding the best player than the match format. On top of all this he thinks the current champion should receive no perks/advantages over the others. I think the real problem is that he has no confidence in his own match play ability and he prefers his chances in a tournament format.

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