Chess rating system

  • #1241

    Ratings are like badges and certificates, they dont mean anything, what matters is what you do and produce.  If you want a true rating then play for real in tournaments and play against "rated" players, for me the online chess ratings have no meaning, using the explore features and anlysis features is not something you can do across a real board, you need to do it in your head, I am not good enough to know if im playing someone who is using Fritz or Rybka or whatever, so i dont bother worrying about, I play, i either win or lose, if im 270 or 2700 it means nothing in the end, it is only each game you play that matters at all, and in the real end we all end up in the same box (in chess and life).

    I play Chess because i can and i enjoy it, the end.

    Peace

  • #1242
  • #1243

    How do you calculate your score when you're playing in person?  Say I go to my local chess club and sign up to play a rated game, since I've never been there do I start at 1200 like here online?

    How do you know how many points to add or subtract after your win/loss?

  • #1244

    ...go with the flow....

  • #1245
    Mautry wrote:

    How do you calculate your score when you're playing in person?  Say I go to my local chess club and sign up to play a rated game, since I've never been there do I start at 1200 like here online?

    How do you know how many points to add or subtract after your win/loss?

    For USCF games, you can use this to estimate your ratings change.  (The actual formula they use is too complicated to be able to get the EXACT amount your rating will change.)

    http://main.uschess.org/content/view/7875/400/

    You don't start at 1200 or any particular spot - they look at your first few games and see how you did.  If you get 2 wins and 3 losses against people with ratings around 1800, then you'll start out with a rating around 1720, for example.

  • #1246

    Can chess.com relate their rating to an individual abstract I.Q.  Somehow I believe that skilled player must have high abstract reasoning.  Every puzzle require intelligence in solving. Every game I believe need abstract intelligence.  I hope a study will be done with regard to this subject for all people to know.  With it, chess has it's valid purpose in the world and eventually be alive and kicking again.

  • #1247
    armhow wrote:

    Can chess.com relate their rating to an individual abstract I.Q.

    Not with any degree of accuracy.  The "problem" here is that people get better with practice.  If you play 500 games of chess, memorize some openings and endgames, use the Tactics Trainer, etc., you will not be inherently more intelligent, but you will probably get better at chess and your rating will go up.

  • #1248

    But there are some people who beginners in chess played better than season ones. Though they take more time making a move, yet they are good. Could there be some relationship between high abstract I.Q. people to better beginner player in chess? I think so. Because even if you practice often, during the middle and end game, moves can differ.  It requires a little critical thinking to enable to win.

  • #1249

    If you are good at Chess then you are good at Chess thats it.

    Chess IQ and generic IQ are different things, even generic IQ has a multitude of different tests all of which differ.

    IQ is about as realistically measurable as Ron Jeremys sex life.

  • #1250
    proletariate wrote:

    If you are good at Chess then you are good at Chess thats it.

    Chess IQ and generic IQ are different things, even generic IQ has a multitude of different tests all of which differ.

    IQ is about as realistically measurable as Ron Jeremys sex life.

    I am refering to abstract I.Q. specifically.  Somehow a person who has a higher abstract reasoning has a better chance of being a good chess player. Though I agree with you we have different intelligence, abstract is an ability to look at things and easily knows what the pattern of it.

  • #1251
    armhow wrote:
    proletariate wrote:

    If you are good at Chess then you are good at Chess thats it.

    Chess IQ and generic IQ are different things, even generic IQ has a multitude of different tests all of which differ.

    IQ is about as realistically measurable as Ron Jeremys sex life.

    I am refering to abstract I.Q. specifically.  Somehow a person who has a higher abstract reasoning has a better chance of being a good chess player. Though I agree with you we have different intelligence, abstract is an ability to look at things and easily knows what the pattern of it.

    I agree.

    I have an apparent high IQ (being a member of Mensa and formerly a member of Prometheus but i dont keep up my annual membership) and I also have an eidetic memory (non specific) meaning it only applies to certain subjects which I cannot control.

    Yet my Chess sucks and my mental arithmetic is appalling (better than average I guess but overall pretty poor I think)

     

    So the whole general thing about High IQ and Chess are definately not true and I have read many studies on it too and there doesnt seem to be any direct correlation, there are good chess players with low IQ's depending on the test or at least unremarkable, and there are poor players with bell curve blowing scores.

    What I think is that the people who create these tests (often some type of psychologists) need to be a bit more intelligent themselves ;-)

    I hate psych* anything.

     

    Peace

  • #1252
    proletariate wrote:
    armhow wrote:
    proletariate wrote:

    If you are good at Chess then you are good at Chess thats it.

    Chess IQ and generic IQ are different things, even generic IQ has a multitude of different tests all of which differ.

    IQ is about as realistically measurable as Ron Jeremys sex life.

    I am refering to abstract I.Q. specifically.  Somehow a person who has a higher abstract reasoning has a better chance of being a good chess player. Though I agree with you we have different intelligence, abstract is an ability to look at things and easily knows what the pattern of it.

    I agree.

    I have an apparent high IQ (being a member of Mensa and formerly a member of Prometheus but i dont keep up my annual membership) and I also have an eidetic memory (non specific) meaning it only applies to certain subjects which I cannot control.

    Yet my Chess sucks and my mental arithmetic is appalling (better than average I guess but overall pretty poor I think)

     

    So the whole general thing about High IQ and Chess are definately not true and I have read many studies on it too and there doesnt seem to be any direct correlation, there are good chess players with low IQ's depending on the test or at least unremarkable, and there are poor players with bell curve blowing scores.

    What I think is that the people who create these tests (often some type of psychologists) need to be a bit more intelligent themselves ;-)

    I hate psych* anything.

     

    Peace

    I agree. Different people have different intelligence.

  • #1253
    MickyBJ wrote:

    Why then did I go down from 1200 (to 1361) when I beat someone who has a rating above 1200 (1089)?? Admittedly don't have time to read the article... but hoping someone knows how this works anyway!

    But, you failed to see that in chess, 1361 is higher by 161 points, not lower by 161 points.

  • #1254
    IckyIke wrote:
     

    takinitez007 probably lost on time.  He had a bigger peice and position total.

  • #1255

    it's time to change the laws so black can move first sometimes.  that would only be fair. 

  • #1256

    Chess ratings are like IQ. in a way. They track your performance based on wins and losses, not on how strong your moves were. IQ measures how you did on the IQ test, not anything else. CHess rating does not reflect how well you inderstand chess. THere are many skills in chess, tactical skills. opening knowledge, knowledge of specific endings (someone may be good at K and P but not know hot to handle N and P andings.) So rating is an abstract composite.

    SIegbert Tarrasch said: "it is not enough to be a good player. One must also play well."

  • #1257

    I like all peopleCool

  • #1258

    whoever goes first will win

  • #1259

    How in hell did this thread go on for 5 years, and how is anyone supposed to follow all of it? :)

  • #1260

    how to do shelter's move on the computer???Undecided

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