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RG1951

        One presumes that when an opponent, who is almost certainly lost, offers a draw, he doesn't actually expect it to be agreed. To think otherwise would be extraordinarily naive. Does he then do it in an effort to distract the overwhelmingly likely winner? Does he imagine an outpouring of sympathy for his predicament will result? 

        I find it irritating when I have newly promoted Queen and rook against King and I am offered a draw twice. Would drawing this to the attention of the website managers result in anything? I know others have complained about the same thing - in some cases where multiple draw offers have been rapidly fired off and declined.

B-Lamberth

It is part of the game that you can offer draw after each move just like in OTB chess. Nothing wierd in that. Just ignore it and focus on destroying your opponen Wink

Scottrf
B-Lamberth wrote:

It is part of the game that you can offer draw after each move just like in OTB chess. Nothing wierd in that. Just ignore it and focus on destroying your opponen 

But in OTB chess you'd be punished for doing it every move.

RG1951
Scottrf wrote:
B-Lamberth wrote:

It is part of the game that you can offer draw after each move just like in OTB chess. Nothing wierd in that. Just ignore it and focus on destroying your opponen 

But in OTB chess you'd be punished for doing it every move.

        I'm interested to learn that. Is it because it is regarded as distracting your opponent?

Scottrf
RG1951 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
B-Lamberth wrote:

It is part of the game that you can offer draw after each move just like in OTB chess. Nothing wierd in that. Just ignore it and focus on destroying your opponen 

But in OTB chess you'd be punished for doing it every move.

        I'm interested to learn that. Is it because it is regarded as distracting your opponent?

Exactly.

Senator-Blutarsky

If someone won't take no for an answer, they should be "bounced".

kleelof

I've only ever had the opportunity to play in 1 OTB tournament, and nobody tried to distract me.

What are some distractions you guys have seen people try?

Senator-Blutarsky

I tried placing William Hartston's book "How To Cheat At Chess" by the board. It seemed to work pretty good.

kleelof

Maybe I should make a fake book cover with a title like "101 ways to kill a winner." and put it next to me.

Senator-Blutarsky

Could work! Remember to cover it with your arm as the TD walks by.

johnyoudell

I don't think reporting two draw offers would have any result. Unless, perhaps, the person had some sort of track history. And probably not even then.

Not playing the person again would seem a sufficient remedy to me. It is not as though there is any shortage of people to play with here.

denner

Just laugh.

bigmac30

i used to be spitfull and queen all my other pawns first but i have leart some peploe don't have a clue just beat them and move on

bigmac30

it goes for genuine draw offers i had one otb game ofered a draw he reslly insultingly laughed it off then with 4 pawn and a rook each 5moves later we were down to two kings i thought you had to play for a win

RG1951
kaynight wrote:

RG : I think it's best to just ride the storm and ignore it. You will prevail in the end. Good distraction to get lucky with a stalemate.

kaynight,

        Before I duly won by checkmate, I posted a chat note to him stating that I could not see how his conduct was supposed to achieve anything. I think he got the point. I don't envisage playing him again, especially as, in the early stages, he by inference accused me of using an "engine."

Seven111

I have actually drawn a few games because of excessive draw requests while playing on mobile. If the button pops up where you are moving your piece, there is no confirmation request, the game just assumes that you meant to click agree. Also, when playing on mobile, declining the draw still takes time off your clock so it can be used to put more pressure on you. 

I guess that's why people do it cos you'd be getting a draw instead of the loss.

RoyCroft

People who do this repetitvely have no chess etiquette.  They should be banned from the site.

blowerd
B-Lamberth wrote:

It is part of the game that you can offer draw after each move just like in OTB chess. Nothing weird in that. Just ignore it and focus on destroying your opponent.  

Of course it is actually against the laws of chess. 

 

12.6

It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area.

12.7

Infraction of any part of Articles 12.1 to 12.6 shall lead to penalties in accordance with Article 13.4.

12.8  Persistent refusal by a player to comply with the Laws of Chess shall be penalised by loss of the game. The arbiter shall decide the score of the opponent.

13.4  The arbiter can apply one or more of the following penalties:

  1. warning
  2. increasing the remaining time of the opponent
  3. reducing the remaining time of the offending player
  4. declaring the game to be lost
  5. reducing the points scored in the game by the offending party
  6. increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available for that game
  7. expulsion from the event.

 

So nope it is not part of the game, and nor is it part of OTB chess. 

 

I suppose one thing you can say (not specifically related to this website) is that it is part of human behaviour, and difficult to enforce these specific laws of chess on the internet. 

 

You certianly can't make a draw offer after every move, especially if you are losing heavily in material though! 

Jimmykay

i once thought as you, and took such offers as offense, until 3 hours ago.

I was playing a bullet game, up 7 queens, an well ahead on time. The draw offer came. At first, I wanted to dismiss it. But then I asked...why? As is turned out, me opponent had a bet with his wife. She had said that he must quit chess forever. He said, :"But one more game." and a wager they made!

If he did not lose, he could play chess to his heart us content, until the day he dies.

But if he were to lose, he must not only quit chess forever, but also allow her to have relations with whatever man she chooses, whenever she chooses!

My quandry was multiplied by the fact that she had approached me for love just the day before! How could I be objective? What a quandry!

So the game was played. I ended up 24 queens ahead with a clear mate in 185 moves when he made his draw offer.

By accepting his draw offer, I would gain his friendship for life. But by beating him, I would be able to have relations with his wife until I die!

What to do I wondered! Oh what a problem~I have 90 minutes to make my choice. HELP NOW!!!!

macer75
Jimmykay wrote:

By accepting his draw offer, I would gain his friendship for life. But by beating him, I would be able to have relations with his wife until I die!

And you're actually thinking about what to do? Come on - it's a no brainer!