Dutch idiot goes beserk

@learningthemoves

See post #10 

@Dischyzer.

You are not alone, my brother had the same problem.

@wiebelenstra

Offcourse I agree that listening to the jokes of linuxblu1 and AndyClifton is always to harsh.

But the fact that the police states that the attacker had a "mild mental handicap" should not immediatly excuse him from a "normal" disciplinary action. If so, all normal disciplinary actions for violance can be thrown away. Whoever performs such an action will (at least at that very moment) not be thinking clear. 

@FunWithChess   . . .and if anyone is thinking clear (or thinking they are) when they perform an act of violence, then they are most likely a sociopath, lacking a moral conscience. I agree that when some one acts out they are not thinking well. The judicial system is full of people that have mental issues. They still need to be held responsible. What justice is there for the victim if not?

Potential athelete for chess boxing?

This Dutch chessplayer has inspired one woman to become a chess professional:

Tonya Harding.

THe jokes are there in every sentence that we post

What I dont understand is this:

- the perpetrator was on a break
- he came back late
- his opponent had started the clock, while he was away (normal rule appaerantly?)
- he comes back and the TD decides to restart the game (and thus the clocks)
- perpetrator loses and hits the other guy with a glas

The perpetrator should be happy that he got a restart! 

The fact that I mentioned him having some kind of mental condition was not to say that he doesnt deserve any kind of punishment. Appearantly he cant deal with a loss and if the results in hitting with a glass.. well then he should not be in that situation again.

But I do think that we should bear with him a bit. I cant be sure, but I think his condition has a big role in this incident. So perhaps he should not be permanently excluded, but temporarily. And in the future he may only play with someone who can help him cope with loss. After all it is a good thing that people with such conditions are part of normal everyday life.

       #1... Paper cups at all future events . #2....Instutitional passes canceled when chess tourns. start #3.....mild mental problem and chess, now theres a great partnership 

I agree, apparently he was still upset with his clock being started early.

his opponent had started the clock, while he was away (normal rule appaerantly?)

Yes, it is a normal rule. When the round starts it starts. Although when an arbiter is present, it is common that (s)he starts the clock.

The fact that I mentioned him some kind of mental condition was not to say that he doesnt deserve any kind of punishment.

I understand.

But I do think that we should bear with him a bit.

I agree we should help him to prevent acting this way again. After he has received his normal punishment.

I cant be sure, but I think his condition has a big role in this incident. 

Well,..I think it is used and accepted to much as an excuse. In your post you allready accept that his 'mild condition' played a huge part and state that the punishment should probably be lessened. But (I asume) you don't even know what this mild condition is. For all I know, it is just the interpretation of something a policeofficer said against a journalist. 

So perhaps he should not be permanently excluded, but temporarily. 

I really disagree on this. Just think about the effect it would have on the paricipants of the future tournament who have witnessed his act.

 And in the future he may only play with someone who can help him cope with loss. 

That sounds like a good idea. But with that you do exclude him from every future swiss tournament and teammatch. In fact you exclude him from every tournament I think. So he could only play "stand alone" games with selected individuals. Having said that, I think it is a good idea.

After all it is a good thing that people with such conditions are part of normal everyday life.

Once again, I don't know the "mild condition" But offcourse if possible he should be part of everyday life. And like you said we should be extra carefull if people have conditions that make them dangerous. But in my opinion absolutely not by lowering pennalties for unacceptable behaviour. Cushioning in other ways like selecting opponents, giving anger management classes etc, are fine offcourse.  

Oh and thx for responding. It's appreciated.

can't beat effective arbitration

It doesn't justify the attack, but it adds to the explanation. The perpetrator was already agitated by what he thought was unsportsmanlike conduct, coupled with the loss, and then the guy flips him off -the cherry on top.

He was not flipped off. Elkitch (or the software used by Elkitch) did not translate correct.

The original sentence in Dutch is: "Net na de partij die dus door de man uit Eindhoven werd gewonnen, flipte zijn tegenstander."

This was wrongly translated as "Just after the party so the man from Son en Breugel was won, flipped his opponent."

A better translation is: Just after the match ended, which was won by the male from Eindhoven his opponent went beserk.

"Flippen" is Dutch for going crazy/nana/beserk/etc

Source:

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/188023692/Slachtoffer+schaakgeweld+Berkel-Enschot+Niet+verwacht+aan+schaken+hersenschudding+over+te+houden.aspx (Dutch)

Ah.  You don't often see the Verre d'Eau Attack combined with the Tête Defense...fortunately.  

Indeed a laughable translation. The incident is also sad. It is one thing to assault a cheating opponent, but to use a glass? And then it turns out there was no cheating at all.

Yes, normally you should tell the arbiter the opponent is late, unless you were told downright to start the clock at the beginning of the round. 

4. Mandatory helmets.

5. On-site psychiatric help for losers and/or people with thin skin who cannot take criticism.

It's crazy to think how many aspects of everyday life get nerfed over time because of one nut case.

You can joke around, but plastic beer cups at events are actually fairly common around here. 

Hmm there are commercial opportunities as well... Lets sell "chess"-insuarances.

True,..

but with joking I think he is trying to state that, that fact is sad..

Thanks for the correction. Flipped is also used in English for going crazy. It was the wording that threw me. It would possible have read better if it said "...his opponent flipped."

The word order can become inverted in Dutch. Apparently the translator isn't sophisticated enough to recognize that.

in all tournaments I have been we start the clocks simultaniously even though we know the opponent is late. chess clubs need to close and therefore we cannot start the clock at +1 after all games, and have 4 hours of game.